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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 26 2007, 10:37 PM (266 Views) | |
| Forgottenlord | Jan 26 2007, 10:37 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/26/school.conspiracy.ap/
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| Gruenberg | Jan 26 2007, 10:46 PM Post #2 |
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That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. And...The Energizer Bunny??? |
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| Ithania | Jan 26 2007, 11:47 PM Post #3 |
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He just goes on, and on, and on, and on, and *a gun shot is heard, the camera cuts to a single cymbal rolling around on the floor, rattling until all suddenly falls silent. “Nothing last forever” appears on the screen* Anyhoo, I think that this illustrates how pathetically silly legal systems can get. I mean come on, charging people for wanting to kill Tom Cruise? Any good system would reward them wouldn’t it? |
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| Randomea | Jan 27 2007, 03:58 PM Post #4 |
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Cheese?
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It's cos they're in league with...
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Brought to you on behalf of Her Royal Randomness; On a tropical island near you. With pretty ribbons in her hair. | |
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| Ausserland | Jan 27 2007, 05:10 PM Post #5 |
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Ridiculous? Maybe. I'll reserve judgment, since I don't know the people involved or the details. All I know is what I see in the news story. And I also know how our wonderful journalists love to poke fun at "hicks from the sticks". How about this? The police chief believes there are some seriously disturbed and perhaps dangerous kids who need counseling. He works a deal with the local judge. Arrest 'em, book 'em on a whopper charge, then let 'em plead to a lesser included misdemeanor conditional on counseling. And, of course, their juvey records will be sealed anyway. Sound like a harsh way of doing things? Come to this country, get in a position of authority in law enforcement or education, and suggest that mama's precious little daughter needs psychological help. Then stand by for the lawsuits. Just hypothetical, of course. But plausible. And I don't know if any of you had kids in school at the time of the Columbine massacre. I did. If the police chief did too, I can understand why he might have over-reacted to this. Nobody would have believed Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were seriously planning mass murder, either. |
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| Forgottenlord | Jan 27 2007, 10:01 PM Post #6 |
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First of all, the news report I have little concern with However, no, I do not believe this is a danger. Perhaps there is something wrong with me, but the day of the columbine shooting, I was curious, but no less concerned the morning after. Even the following Taber incident that happened a week later just 200km south of my city (ex-student returns to school, shoots at 4 students - 1 dead, 2 injured, was taken peacefully) did not concern me. Was I saddened, yes. Was I scared? No. Regardless, the impression given by this story, the information revealed by the chief, and the fact that he took in 6, not one or two (I'm sorry, psychopaths don't get into groups that big), strikes me entirely as a massive overreaction. In fact, the only thing abnormal about the girls is that they would publish it - something that tells me the bigger danger from these girls is stupidity. |
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| Ausserland | Jan 28 2007, 03:52 AM Post #7 |
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I think the difference is that you're willing to take the information in the story -- limited as it is -- at face value and pass judgment on those involved. I'm not. The information given by the chief? Do you know what constraints he may have been under -- legal or administrative -- concerning release of information? Do you know whether this small-town police chief is experienced enough dealing with the media to make the case for his action effectively? Do you know whether there were other indicators of potential danger that weren't reported in the story? "Psychopaths don't get into groups that big". Probably not. Sociopaths do. And there is far too little information about the girls available to make any sort of judgment on their psychological state. I'm not saying that the authorities were right or wrong. All I'm saying is that the sketchy information in the story leaves me completely unqualified to pass judgment on anyone or anyone's actions. |
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| Flibbleites | Jan 28 2007, 04:55 AM Post #8 |
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No, I just was a kid in school then. |
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| East Hackney | Jan 29 2007, 12:04 AM Post #9 |
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On the subject of school-related dumbassticity, y'all hear about this teacher in Connecticut who could get 40 years in jail for using a computer that someone else had infested with pornographic scumware? Clicky |
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| Allech-Atreus | Jan 29 2007, 05:46 AM Post #10 |
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I have to say, I'm glad I went to a High School where the administration wasn't batshit insane. My latin teacher was, but that was just fine. |
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| Forgottenlord | Jan 29 2007, 02:36 PM Post #11 |
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Fine, so I'm opinionated - old news. However, an event like this - especially in the society of fear where a rights are being eroded - we should be asking questions, we should be looking at this with a level of concern. As a standard action, this is ridiculous. Fine, perhaps this isn't standard, but that isn't what we've been told. We've been told this is a standard incident, and so long as it is represented as a standard incident, it is a ridiculous incident. They want to clarify, they want to release details that show this isn't an standard incident, they can do fix it - and going after them to get this clarification is not a bad thing. This incident, as represented, was a severe overreaction and I don't believe that such an overreaction is acceptable. |
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| Ausserland | Jan 29 2007, 05:31 PM Post #12 |
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As for your being opinionated, I'm more opinionated than most people you know. I've had about 40 years longer than you to form those opinions and get set in my ways. And you know what they say about old dogs and new tricks. The key here, I think, is in two phrases in your post: "from what we've been told" and "as represented". I don't believe everything I'm told or everything I read from a news wire. And I don't automatically accept that a situation is as represented when I have no means of assessing the accuracy of the representation. Should this story cause concern? Yes! Should we question the actions of the authorities? Certainly! I do. Should we rush to judgment and condemn those actions? You can if you want. For me, I'm going to be as skeptical about the accuracy and completeness of the information I have to go on as I am about the incident and the reaction. Over the years, I learned to be very cautious about accepting news reports at face value. Some journalists are exceptionally fine professionals. But, like is the case in most professions, others are dumber than rocks. Some are dedicated to bringing accurate information to their audiences. Others are in it for the sensation that brings a by-line. Some try their best to present the facts as they can learn them. Others fit the facts to suit their preconceptions and biases. Some get to specialize and become very knowledgeable of the fields they cover. Others are forced to deal with a wide variety of subjects, on many of which they're clueless. Most of them have to work under deadlines and air-time and page-space constraints that make their jobs very tough. Just my opinion.
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| The Palentine | Jan 29 2007, 06:31 PM Post #13 |
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I get tired of some of the policies because of idiot children and the idiot parents that raise them. most schools todat ban penknifes and the like from students because some nutcase might(and probally had used theirss to slash up someone). Back when I was in JH and HS I always carried a penknife(a small barlow lockblade, or a Swiss Army type). HoweverI used it as a tool(ie emergency pencil sharpener, check. Need to cut some material for a stage flat, check, need to open a bottle, check). Hell a friend of mine was my biology lab partner, and the teacher allowed us to use our knives for disection(we kept our knives sharper than the lab's scalpels...of course the people on either side of us kept their distance. We liked to imitate Quincy ME when disecting. BTW the teacher loved us. )
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| Randomea | Jan 29 2007, 06:36 PM Post #14 |
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I always took my craft knife to school. I carry a pen knife to archery, but apparently the big ones count as 'offensive weapons'. |
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| Forgottenlord | Jan 29 2007, 06:40 PM Post #15 |
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Swiss army knife, at school, all the time in JH and HS. A lot of my peers laughed at me because I kept whipping it out in front of teachers to use for some odd thing or another. |
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