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Wanted: Babies
Topic Started: Mar 27 2006, 01:14 AM (193 Views)
Krioval
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Groot Gouda,Mar 27 2006
11:39 PM
Raijin,Mar 28 2006
02:25 AM
I guess I just don't see how it's a positive thing for "the government" to encourage people to have more children.  Let's say, for the sake of argument, that birthrate declines.  Eventually, this means that more tax money needs to be diverted to take care of the childless elderly.  So taxes will rise (more likely than not).

Let's say, then, that "the government" intervenes, making it easier to have children.  Ultimately, taxes will still rise - all that government subsidy has to come from somewhere.

They'll rise less, because there are more people to pay taxes. The load is spread more.

Not necessarily. Paying every couple almost a full year's salary is expensive every time they have a child. I'm willing to consider that some economies might do better than others, but I hardly am convinced it's an automatic benefit to subsidize childbirth.
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Personally I don't like "breeding" programs. It smacks too much of governments buying babies.

Our mess of a government are/were (not sure of its status at the moment) paying Australian women 3,000 dollars a kid, no questions asked, married or unmarried. The result of this is a growing army of teenaged mothers popping out kids just for the money, then going on the single mothers pension when it runs out. One of my cousins daughters just had her fifth kid to the fouth different man and she has freely admitted that she's only having them for the money and to avoid ever having to work.

I do on the other hand fully agree with equal leave for men and women for their children, and properly funded child care. If parents want to work and raise kids, then it is in the governments best interests economically to do whatever they can to assist with that. Breast feeding shouldn't be a problem either. Women can use a breast pump and express, then fathers can bottle feed the milk. The big scream against bottles isn't so much the bottle itself but when formula, not breast milk, is in it.


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The 1970's (80's?) 'Breast is best' campaign was a crock of shit. At least nowadays mothers aren't pressurused into breastfeeding regardless of the pain it might cause them to do so.

Oh, and Waterana's point concerning the benefit mums is an important one, unfortunately. I've also heard some real horror stories concerning teenage girls, unsuspecting blokes, pierced condoms and resultant maintenance.
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So Eco, are you trying to say something?
"You would think it obvious to anyone, with a grain of intelligence, that there are far too many people born in England."
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Yeah, there are deeply unpleasant girls out there who will happily ruin a boy's life to get what they want. Just as there are deeply unpleasant men/boys out there who will happily ruin a woman/girl's life to get what they want. And so on.

EDIT: unless you meant... ah. No, I'm not a dad!
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Yeah, there are deeply unpleasant girls out there who will happily ruin a boy's life to get what they want. Just as there are deeply unpleasant men/boys out there who will happily ruin a woman/girl's life to get what they want. And so on.


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Not necessarily. Paying every couple almost a full year's salary is expensive every time they have a child. I'm willing to consider that some economies might do better than others, but I hardly am convinced it's an automatic benefit to subsidize childbirth.
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Certainly it would be expensive for a company or government to do so, therefore ideally costs would be split to minimise any burden. However if one considers the advantages resulting in having a stable family life and in giving people the opportunity to spend more time with their new families, it reduces divorces, child-care issues and can contribute to the moulding of a healthier child, who is used to receiving support and attention, not a kind of desperate rushed neglect that many are forced to endure. I'm not arguing against working parents here, I'm just saying that they should be given the opportunity to contribute to the raising of the future citizens and wage earners and contributors of society, therefore, in the long-run the policy would sustain itself.
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