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ID cards for the UK; when do we get our barcodes?
Topic Started: Feb 14 2006, 10:45 AM (184 Views)
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Ecopoeia,Feb 14 2006
02:20 PM
Three, these aren't the same as European ID cards; biometric data is considerably more intrusive, for starters. You clearly haven't seen the massive infiringements of civil liberties Labour are perpetrating - and these aren't manifesto pledges or even actions passed by the Houses. These complete arseholes are subverting our entire bloody 'democracy'. We're going in the wrong direction.

Yeah it's so the Americans will accept them, as I understand it. Or that might be passports.....

Ah ha, Europe is adopting biometric data, and so is several states already in passports in order to bypass visas in the US.

American visas: http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-01-31-voa56.cfm

Europe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/15/eu...tric_passports/

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Europe's Council of Ministers has given the green light to mandatory biometrics on passports but, strangely enough, has refused to let biometric-mad Britain join in. This leaves the country that's keenest to tag the whole of its population as one of the few members of the EU that won't have to fingerprint all its citizens from 2008. Theoretically.
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Yes, folks, these are the values we're stoutly defending from the Islamofascists. Oh, hang on...
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Fonzoland,Feb 14 2006
02:01 PM
Once I lost my wallet in Portugal. Cancelling/replacing the national id card was the last thing on my mind, the bank cards and driver licence are much more troublesome. Everyone carries various pieces of id with them, which are a lot easier to abuse than the national id.

I may carry a few cards with my name on it, I don't carry anything that is accepted as official ID here. And sure, a bankcard is more on your mind to replace than a passport when lost, but loosing your passport is damn inconvenient and a lot more expensive.
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It's the cost that worries me more then anything. But on the bright side, it will be another unpopular labour descision that will lead to a Conservative government in 2009...
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Cobdenia,Feb 14 2006
06:09 PM
It's the cost that worries me more then anything. But on the bright side, it will be another unpopular labour descision that will lead to a Conservative government in 2009...

Not long ago, such a comment would scare me. Now... what's the difference? The Tories will be worse in some ways, scarcely better in others. I can't stand any of the fuckers.

EDIT: and actually, I wonder if enough Brits are credulous enough to let Labour off anyway. ID cards ain't a big deal for most people - they're buying the government's shit.
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Hirota,Feb 14 2006
04:18 PM
Ah ha, Europe is adopting biometric data, and so is several states already in passports in order to bypass visas in the US.

American visas: http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-01-31-voa56.cfm

Europe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/15/eu...tric_passports/

I'll quote the second as it amuses me:
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Europe's Council of Ministers has given the green light to mandatory biometrics on passports but, strangely enough, has refused to let biometric-mad Britain join in. This leaves the country that's keenest to tag the whole of its population as one of the few members of the EU that won't have to fingerprint all its citizens from 2008. Theoretically.

Jesus, I only just read that link - so even if we somehow stop this infernal scheme going ahead, the EU will shaft us anyway.

Hooray! Fuck this, I'm moving to Vanuatu.
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Unlike GG I do carry my card. I have one of those wallets with a bazillion things in it and this is one of them. Not taking it with me would be more of a burden and I'd be more likely to lose it in my room. :ph43r:

I opposed compulsory ID when it was introduced here but I cannot say I feel very opressed. I just think it is a pointless measure. The only thing I think they should change is that you are required to carry compulsory ID from the age of 14. I believe that to be just excessive.

So... I support you Brits but it hardly hallmarks the establishment of a fascist theocracy.
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From the article Hirota originally posted:

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The position as of the Council decision on Monday is that the EU now has a standard for security features and biometrics in passports, with a couple of exceptions, notably the UK, Ireland and Denmark. The European standards are being brought in in 18 months time for facial biometric, and three years fingerprint, and the participating countries will cooperate on the development and implementation of these standards. The UK meanwhile is set to collect more biometrics than the EU requires, facial, fingerprint and iris, on more people (the whole population, rather than just passport, although the EU is planning standards for ID cards). But the UK passport could conceivably diverge from the EU one in terms of standards, and the UK could even be vulnerable to legal challenges from Brussels, both on how it proposes to deal with registration other EU citizens, and on the database aspects of the ID scheme.
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So?
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12:52 AM
So?

You're fucked, too.
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Our government is planning to do this anyway. All governments basically agreed together to do this, whatever they might now pretend about this being a Commission idea. Europe isn't forcing this on us; the collective Europeans governments are at the instigation of changed U.S. regulations..

This has a lot to do with the demands of the United States. Europeans would not get easy acces anymore without biometrics passports, so really, I blame America for this nonsense.
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I don't really think we can blame the Americans for the fact that our governments - and, by extension, the EU - are craven puppies lacking the spine to stand up for liberty.
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Feh.
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