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Dam Busters remake; Historical accuracy vs. PC
Topic Started: Jan 18 2006, 08:54 PM (226 Views)
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I wonder if they're going to go back and chop up Pink Floyd's The Wall now, too...
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Cluichstan,Jan 18 2006
09:45 PM
I wonder if they're going to go back and chop up Pink Floyd's The Wall now, too...

I think The Final Cut would be a more likely target...
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I was referring to the film. Pink is always watching Dam Busters in the scenes in his hotel room.
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Ah. Yes. Right.

* Drops embarrassing ignorance on the floor and kicks it under the rug. *

You were saying?
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Not ignorance, mate. It's in the background. And, of course, it helps that I've seen The Wall (at least) a couple of hundred times. ;)
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Unfortunately, Sir David seems to be of the view that the name of the Labrador needs to be changed at the expense of historical accuracy. He is quoted in one newspaper as saying, “We've not yet decided to do about the dog... Perhaps your readers could suggest a new name!” As this quote appeared in the Guardian, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the dog is renamed “Trotsky”!

How to make a perfectly valid argument and undermine it completely by turning it into a random Guardian/left-bashing exercise. I mean, quite apart from being a really petty blow, it's also really fucking stupid. Trotsky? The Grauniad and its readers are a bunch of woolly, fence-straddling, peacenik centrists...
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I think that is what is known as a joke, Eco. More specifically, exagerration.

I mean, it's not like the left don't make jokes about the Daily Mail or the Telegraph...

EDIT: And seeing as the Guardian was the newspaper that printed an article about how we shouldn't laugh at "Little Britain", I think the link between the Guardian and over political correctness is pretty concrete.
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Lots of things to think about here. So I ramble from thought to thought....

All this "political correctness" stuff really bothers me. As with many ideas that have some value, it's been taken -- in America, at least -- to ridiculous extremes. It particularly bothers me when it's the cause of portraying the world as different than it is or history as different than it was.

On the other hand, if I'm looking for historical accuracy, I'm not going to go to a movie to find it. Movies are works of art. When I go to see one that's based on historical events, I realize that the creators have taken liberties with the historical fact for the sake of the drama.

So what should Sir David do? If it were me, I'd change the name of the dog. Why? Because I think "Nigger" would distract people's attention from the plot and characterization. And, in creating a dramatic work, those are the elements I want to make real and effective. I wouldn't do it to pander to the PC crowd; I'd do it to remove something that could detract from the effectiveness of the film.
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I think that is what is known as a joke, Eco. More specifically, exagerration.

I mean, it's not like the left don't make jokes about the Daily Mail or the Telegraph...

EDIT: And seeing as the Guardian was the newspaper that printed an article about how we shouldn't laugh at "Little Britain", I think the link between the Guardian and over political correctness is pretty concrete.

I realise it was flippant (I wasn't being serious about the Trot comment), but it does detract from the main thrust of the piece. At least I thought so, but reading it again I think I amplified the issue unduly - bad me.

The Little Britain piece was a comment, not an editorial line. Hell, the Grauniad prints essay from Irwin fucking Steltzer, ferchrissakes. He's the very antithesis of their general political viewpoint.

It seems to me that (in the UK) PC is a label that has been convenient now for the right to use as a means of attacking views it dislikes. Up until quite recently the issue seemed to be dead (I remember it as an early-mid 90's phenomenon) but the right have resurrected this ol' horse and started flogging it to buggery once again. If 'PC' terminology or actions go too far, left and right tend to speak in unison. Whenever it's the right alone... meh, it's all too frequently bullshit.
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My bad, eco. Sorry for being unduly harsh; I sort of wrote the article hence I am a little protective of it!

It just seems to me that Political Correctness is largely confined to the left. In a Labour constituency, a man was held by police for putting Christian leaflets through letterboxes and next to family planning leaflets, before being let off when they realised he had commited no crime. To think of one example. There has also been the constant name chages in the NHS for the disabled. From disabled, to hadicapped, back to disabled, then to differently abled, then special needs.
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Nothing to apologise for, mate. I have a blunt way of putting my point across at times (shuttitwityoinnuedo, Clare!). PC does originate from the left and centre, no doubt about that. But what qualifies as PC is hugely dependent on your viewpoint. The nanny-state tendency in the centre-left is hugely irritating and they're frequently up to their neck in such nonsense (hello, Polly Toynbee!).

Not sure of the timing, but maybe Keynes instead of Trotsky? ;)
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shuttitwityoinnuedo, Clare!

My, aren’t we getting presumptuous.
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Ecopoeia,Jan 19 2006
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Not sure of the timing, but maybe Keynes instead of Trotsky? ;)

I was torn between Tony Benn and Keynes to begin with; but I thought Benn was a bit obscure and Keynes has a 'college' named after him at my uni, so I thought sod it and put in good old Trotsky.

But your right, it is more centre-left then left.
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Ausserland,Jan 19 2006
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So what should Sir David do? If it were me, I'd change the name of the dog. Why? Because I think "Nigger" would distract people's attention from the plot and characterization. And, in creating a dramatic work, those are the elements I want to make real and effective. I wouldn't do it to pander to the PC crowd; I'd do it to remove something that could detract from the effectiveness of the film.

Agreed. If people are distracted, or start to view the characters they're supposed to see as good guys as racist, the film simply won't work so well.
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