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| United Nations Reduced Arms Proposal (UNRAP); Proposal re-submitted, requires support | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 17 2004, 05:19 PM (151 Views) | |
| Telidia | Nov 17 2004, 05:19 PM Post #1 |
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I’m note sure if anyone remembers this proposal by Whited Fields, but it seems it has been resurrected. I recall it had good support previously and personally I feel it is worth some consideration. In the previous debate I stated that we should perhaps consider passing some form of nuclear disarmament proposal, if only to stop something much harder to deal with being passed. Nuclear disarmament will always be at the top of proposal authors lists and the sooner that hatch is closed the better I feel. |
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| Ecopoeia | Nov 17 2004, 05:48 PM Post #2 |
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There's much to recommend it, though the pedant in me is tutting at some of the grammatical errors in the introduction. I'd be inclined to offer my support, but I'm interested in other views (maybe I should spend more time in the UN forum - slapped wrist). |
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| Hersfold | Nov 17 2004, 08:37 PM Post #3 |
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I didn't really notice any severe grammar errors, but I will approve this. It's well-written, and seems as though it will be effective. |
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The United Federation of Hersfold UN Member Deputy Minister of Culture and Education, The North Pacific Author, UN Resolution #54, UN Educational Committee Author, Deleted Resolution, Olympic Games Department Head, UN Affairs, The Lemurian University Assistant Editor-in-Chief, The North Pacific Wire | |
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| Knootoss | Nov 18 2004, 08:28 PM Post #4 |
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Hmm. I'd never support this anyway. Do not see the need for it. |
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| Telidia | Nov 18 2004, 08:56 PM Post #5 |
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Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. I’d be most grateful if you could expand as to the reasons why you feel you would not vote for it. It is important I gather as much opinions on this draft as possible. Thanks in advance and thank you also to those who have already given their comments. Much appreciated. |
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| Toriella Thiten | Nov 18 2004, 10:42 PM Post #6 |
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Generally I have no problem with it, but there is one statement that I am either going to have to question as to it's meaning, or ask to be removed/edited to ensure we can comply. Emova Malna Mathr - this is the national motto of TilEnca. It translates as "Death before war". What it means is that, as a nation, we are unwilling to go to war with anyone unless they are actually attacking out people. We have a long history of bloodshed and violance, and have decided, as a people, that we would rather die than start the cycle again. (However if we are invaded, or attacked as a prelude to invasion, we will fight to the last of us to protect our home land. Just incase anyone was thinking that we are a nation ripe for conquest) So the phrase that says (I paraphrase here) "An attack on any member nation will be considered an attack on the UN and retalliation will be swift" is a potential problem. Does it mean that if another UN member nation is attacked, we are required to delcare war on the nation that attacked them? If it does, then I am afraid we would be unable and unwilling to fulfil our obligation under this resolution. If however it relates to aid (humanitarian aid only) then we can supply that with a smile on our face and a song in our heart (if you will excuse the imagery that produces) . We could not supply military aid however, as that would be seen to be taking sides. So - can anyone clear up this issue? |
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| HotRodia | Nov 19 2004, 06:55 AM Post #7 |
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I'm rather curious about something. Why do U.N. members need other states to protect them when, as per the Rights and Duties of UN States resolution, we are supposed to use IGNORE cannons on the pesky buggers? |
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| Telidia | Nov 19 2004, 05:00 PM Post #8 |
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Whilst I am not the expert in this proposal, I will nevertheless try and answer some of my esteemed colleagues concerns as best I can. Thank you also for the valued comments.
Thank you for drawing attention to the grammatical errors and rest assured they will be dealt with before this proposal is re-submitted. I also feel some better formatting to make it more legible would also be appropriate. I will make a list of comments and pass them on the proposal’s author. If you would be so kind as to point out some errors you have spotted I would be grateful, just in case I miss something.
Indeed your analysis of that clause is correct and must admit I do share your concerns regarding this. In the UN debate currently and previously when this proposal was brought to the floor I objected to turning the whole of the UN in to a military alliance. That said I believe the aim of this clause is to set an absolute deterrent to anyone thinking of using nuclear weapons against a member state. Particularly considering that our non-member friends outweigh us three to one. I am not sure if the proposal author would consider revising this clause to something like “Strongly urges or Encourages” thus providing a choice for members. Would this perhaps go some way to help relieve your concerns? For myself I have been grappling with this issue also, though I have been weighing this clause against the possibility that the UN may pass a rather unconsidered ‘complete ban’ resolution like the one previously defeated. In my reasoning the potential harm that could bring I felt, counter balanced my ethical objections. I assure you this ‘trade off’ took some soul searching and I therefore respect your objection completely.
Thank you for bringing up this important point though my understanding is that it is not a requirement, but rather a suggestion and sets up conditions for good ‘in game’ RP etiquette. I herewith include an excerpt from the resolution.
For anyone wanting to look it up, it is on page 10 I sincerely thank everyone for taking the time to reply and look forward to hearing any further comments. My aim here is to formulate an agenda for change, which I will then take to the proposal author for consideration in the hope that the proposal can refined and a consensus reached by the member body. Your expertise in matters is therefore invaluable in that process. |
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| Knootoss | Nov 19 2004, 09:59 PM Post #9 |
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Well, I did not respond because the reasons would not serve to better your proposal anyway. They are (in order from mild objection to crippling reason to vote no):
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~Aram Koopman, Knootian ambassador to the WA "If the United Nations is a country unto itself, then the commodity it exports most is words." | |
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| Toriella Thiten | Nov 20 2004, 04:08 PM Post #10 |
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It would, yes. Thank you. |
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| Ecopoeia | Nov 22 2004, 04:00 PM Post #11 |
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I'm inclined to agree with Knootoss. Don't tell CACE... |
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| Knootoss | Nov 22 2004, 06:16 PM Post #12 |
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Hey, at least you can refute them in the flame threads.
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~Aram Koopman, Knootian ambassador to the WA "If the United Nations is a country unto itself, then the commodity it exports most is words." | |
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| Telidia | Nov 22 2004, 07:52 PM Post #13 |
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I thank everyone for taking the time in providing comment. I will formulate an agenda and discuss the points raised here with the proposal’s author. My current understanding is that the proposal is being re-drafted. I will keep you abreast of matters as they develop. Thanks again. |
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