| Hell Pit Abomination and Terror; Why does the HPA cause Terror? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 21st October 2014 - 08:25 PM (541 Views) | |
| Sicturus | 21st October 2014 - 08:25 PM Post #1 |
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So, I am trying to figure something out. The HPA has Terror, and Immune to Psychology. The latest errata IIRC removed the sentence stating that when it comes in base contact during a move, it counts as a charge. Similarly with the doomwheel, getting into combat is not the same as charging, because you are unable to take a reaction against it. This is where I get confused. The HPA has the Terror ruling. Since it did not charge, the unit it is charging doesn't have to take a Terror check. It does, however, have to take a Fear check. So why does it have Terror? If the HPA didn't have Immune to Psychology, I could understand that it has terror so it doesn't panic on another unit with terror charging it. But, other than that, I see no reason as to why it has Terror. Am I missing something? |
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| Didimus | 21st October 2014 - 08:50 PM Post #2 |
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Units that cause Fear are immune to Fear, except when fighting against something that causes Terror. In this case, the unit with Fear has to take a Fear test caused by the unit that causes Terror. I don't have my rulebook with me, but doesn't a unit that want to charge something with Terror have to pass a Ld test before being allowed to charge? |
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| Nurglitch IX | 21st October 2014 - 08:55 PM Post #3 |
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It's the other way Didimus, which is why people question the rule, because the HPA never allows Charge reactions, so a rule that has a Charge reaction affect never gets used. You're right though about the Fear effect. The HellPit has Terror so that every unit that isn't Immune to Psychology, or a Terror itself, must test for Fear at the start of each Combat Round. |
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| Mathusala0 | 22nd October 2014 - 02:20 PM Post #4 |
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The errata changed the rule to random movement, which states that if a move is found to take it into base contact with an enemy than it counts as a charge with the only charge reaction being to hold. getting into combat is ALWAYS considered a charge (and though i can't recall of any instances where that would matter I feel there could be some, ash storm comes to mind) However terror does nothing because they MUST chose to hold as a reaction. it does make the opponent test for fear unless they are terrifying or have Immune to psyc as Bounty accurately put it. honestly though, id much rather have my foe be forced to fight rather than turn and run. hellpits tend to be good at winning fights and random movement allows you to run down with all 3 d6, almost always you'll catch um. |
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| snowblizz | 22nd October 2014 - 08:04 PM Post #5 |
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Because it is a massive and hideous thing. Sometimes roleplaying kicks in in GW rules. But principally you seem to forget that HPA is written for a different edition of rules where Terror was a bigger deal than it is now. |
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| Rakchew | 5th November 2014 - 07:36 PM Post #6 |
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HPA doesn't have Immune to Pysch (unless they changed it very recently). Terror protects it from other terror causers and makes people take Fear tests, which can save its live, since its only WS3 T5. It can flee from charges and does panic when nearby friendlies die. (and its argued that they wrote the Skaven book with full knowledge of what 8th was going to be like. Arguments include of their template weapons hitting everything underneath, no partials. Was HUGE before 8th came out) Edited by Rakchew, 5th November 2014 - 07:38 PM.
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| SkavenInAZ | 6th November 2014 - 02:21 AM Post #7 |
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Much to my chagrin, Alamo game 5... |
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| Njaaa | 6th November 2014 - 12:35 PM Post #8 |
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speaking of which SkaveninAZ....I was wondering...did the leadbelchers took the fear check 2 times in a row and passed them, when they were in CC with the Helpitt on the Alamo? |
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| SkavenInAZ | 6th November 2014 - 02:08 PM Post #9 |
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Failed it the first 2 times, passed after that |
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