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Fellblade vs. the 3rd Eye of Tzeentch
Topic Started: 2nd October 2014 - 10:43 PM (616 Views)
Rein bringer of the cheese
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snowblizz
9th October 2014 - 03:36 PM
I gotta say, people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to fixated on the "no re-rolls" thing. It's not rocket science. It's not a life-or-death situation. It's a fairly general rule to stop some arguing. The game works just as well if both sides re-roll what they are allowed. It's just mathematically (?) speaking unnecessary, but personally I always feel better. It still the the idea of people throwing 2 dice at a single re-roll.

I have to say anytime someone starts waving their finger and mumbling "no re-rolls" I get the urge to grab and break it. I'm not trying to re-roll my own re-rolls which is fundamentally what I see the rule being about, eg I have Hatred and ASF e.g.

I promise, it's faster for both players to re-roll than the resulting arguments from situations where it is hashed out. (Likewise the smart-asses with their 2 dicing actually lose time because they have to explain to me, thrice, how they are not cheating me, and I'm still not convinced).
So let us look at it in a mathematical way:

Any rule imposing re-roll successful and re-roll unsuccesful will result in something like this:

Let's say rerolls with a to hit roll of 4+ (so you have to reroll succesfull to hit and you can reroll misses)
The result is:

1 = Reroll (mis so reroll)
2 = Reroll (mis so reroll)
3 = Reroll (mis so reroll)
4 = Reroll (hit so reroll)
5 = Reroll (hit so reroll)
6 = Reroll (hit so reroll)

Whatever the to hit roll, you reroll any dice thrown. So it is easier to cancel the rule and roll just 1 die because the first roll is irrelevant.

This is also exactly the case where you have the reroll from Hold Your Ground and the Sacred Banner of the Horned Rat. They both cancel because for every outcome some rule sais you have to reroll.


So why are the re-rolls form the Fellblade and Third eye not canceling? Because there are outcomes which are unaffected by both rules. So in this case they are not the same and as already pointed out a lot in this thread: you should just reroll once and then everything is fine.
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