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Bonebreaker Unit; Bringing 3 Bonebreaker Warlords in one unit.
Topic Started: 2nd October 2014 - 11:07 AM (878 Views)
Mosk
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I love the idea of Warlords on Bonebreakers. I want to field 3 of them in a single unit as a kind of pseudo-cav/psuedo-monsterous cav unit. So with that said lets discuss how you would form a unit like this. Lets not talk about why you would or would not make a unit like this, but lets all just go in with the idea in mind that we are making this unit, regardless of the effectiveness. Lets, for this example, assume that you MUST bring 3 warlords mounted on bonebreakers (probably in a 3000-3500 point game) and with that requirement, lets make the best possible build for this, and then also discuss tactics that could be used with this unit.

I feel that several builds could be effective

Warlord
Bonebreaker
Armor of Destiny
Weeping Blade
Shield
Potion of Strength

or

Warlord
Bonebreaker
Warpstone Armor
Dawnstone
Shield
Handweapon

or

Warlord
Bonebreaker
Fellblade


My thoughts are to also bring a unit of 3 rat ogres (maybe 6) in the back ranks.


For a moment let us not talk about how competitive this would be. Lets focus on making the best possible unit that contains 3 warlords on bonebreakers.
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garrett!
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What I did when I used my single bone breaker was put it in a unit of 26 clanrats. Since you want to use three in the same unit you could probably put them in a unit of 24 or 30 clanrats, this way you will still get your steadfast and +3 LD.
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One with the Fellblade and a shield.
One with Caps Warlord build
One with Sword of Strife, Shadow Magic trinket or MR token

Fellblade kills anything big, Caps build accepts any scary challenges, and the third does extra attacks for combat resolution and has something for protection for the unit.

I've seen this done before, but all three Bonebreakers were solo to cause maximum damage and disruption. In this scenario, your third Warlord is a compromise build of whatever you feel you need help killing.
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Didimus
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Haha...I was JUST thinking of this exact topic. My friends wanted to play an End Times game (50% lords) and everyone was going to get silly with characters. I just have a few questions:
  • Can a character join another character to make a unit? (i.e. can I make a unit of ONLY characters?)
  • If so, can a bonebreaker Lord do this? The bonebreaker rules list specific types of units they can join.
If running these guys with Rat Ogres, I would run the ROs 3-wide with a masterbread RO up front. That way you could hide one of your lords in the back if the matchup wasn't favorable (e.g. hide Mr. Fellbade if going up against ASF).

One thing to remember...these guys are Monstrous Cavalry. That means they get to use the Toughness and Wounds from the Bonebreaker model as well as Swiftstride. Once they join a unit that doesn't have swiftstride, they lose that ability (unless they charge out of it by themself?).
Edited by Didimus, 2nd October 2014 - 04:10 PM.
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Mosk
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The swiftstride be be a reason to keep them in just a unit of 3?
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2nd October 2014 - 05:55 PM
The swiftstride be be a reason to keep them in just a unit of 3?
Depends.

Swiftstride gives you a better charge. But if you're facing an extremely Shooty army, you may want the extra wounds more than you want the boost to your speed.
Charge Distances: Normal v. SwiftStride


Keep in mind though that the ablative armor the unit provides will be minimal, because none of them are MC like the BoneBreakers, there's no lookout sirs. Just one more target in the 'random target' pool.
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WoollyMammoth
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whats Caps Warlord build? What would be a good setup for just one bonebreaker warlord? Of course, fellblade woudl be awesome, but i woudlent liek to get some bad rolls and lose an expensive model (or greatly weaken) before it sees combat.

It would be fun to put one in my stormvermin for a bit of extra anvil. With armor of destiny and a shield thats 3+/4++ 4W 5T right? Some skalm would be funny. 2+ with a shield and warpstone armor right? That's pretty wild. If you cast Death Frenzy does both the ogre and warlord get more attacks?
Edited by WoollyMammoth, 3rd October 2014 - 09:22 PM.
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This is the standard by which I measure all Warlords: "CapAmr05s Warlord Build" - 228 points
Warlord + Warlitter + Shield + Dragon Helm + Sword of the Anti-Heroes + Talisman of Preservation + Trickster's Shard

Obviously for this application we're subbing the BoneBreaker for the Warlitter.
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why is a warlitter more optimal than a bonebreaker? 5T, 4W, 5A, 5S. Bonebreaker seems much better, just no LOS! but a 4++ ward is decent anyway.
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3rd October 2014 - 09:51 PM
why is a warlitter more optimal than a bonebreaker? 5T, 4W, 5A, 5S. Bonebreaker seems much better, just no LOS! but a 4++ ward is decent anyway.
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Let's try this again.

+1T/+1A or an extra 2+ Save against every attack. Which is better?
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3rd October 2014 - 09:51 PM
why is a warlitter more optimal than a bonebreaker? 5T, 4W, 5A, 5S. Bonebreaker seems much better, just no LOS! but a 4++ ward is decent anyway.
To summarize Bounty's quote -- it's all about avoiding a cannonball to the face.

I love my Bonebreaker model -- but I've used him like twice, because he just gets shot.

Another bonus to the Warlitter -- you can Skitterleap him, so you can move him to where he needs to go much easier than the Bonebreaker
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yeah, the thing about a 4+ ward save is that it fails half the time, and with 2 turns of shooting, cannons will see your bonebreaker as 175 or so free points and a dead general, which for skaven is basically game over.

Warlitter is almost always the better option with a few small exceptions, one of which would be carrying a fellblade.
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But you can take a Charmed Shield to negate the first cannon shot. Then you have your own cannons, Doomwheel, Abomb. If I was firing a cannon against Skaven I'd probably want to take the WLC or a Doomwheel off. I'd have a great chance to do that, rather than try shooting the warlord with 4++ ward and charmed shield.

Warlord does not have to be the general, of course you want a Grey Sear with a 4+ ward in a big ball of LOS!, so you can make the Sear your general to lower the value on your warlords head.

+2 armor sounds nice - but I don't get where this is coming from. Bonebreaker is a mon mount so you got heavy armor, shield and +1 for bring mounted thats 3+ right? So the Warlitter has a special rule which improves this by one more for 2+ save?

If you are playing a casual game, and its not against Dwarves or you know they won't be bringing two cannons, then a Bonebreaker sounds like a lot of fun and makes your Stormvermin a much stronger hammer.
Edited by WoollyMammoth, 5th October 2014 - 03:35 PM.
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garrett!
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There are a lot more armies with cannons than dwarves. I rarely ever use the bone breaker because I would prefer the screaming bell, however I do like the war litter a lot more than the bone breaker because of the 2+ armour and look out sir.
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plaugechild
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lulz read the rules!
our fellblade guy cant have a Charmed shield or a 4++!

go read the rules!
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