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Topic Started: 10th September 2012 - 08:20 PM (1,155 Views)
adadrian
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what color do you guys undercoat your skaven?


i always use black but i met a couple of people at my club that one uses light grey the other guy uses dark grey

and someone uses white only to make his characters more colorfull'

i've never thought about using a different undercoat color
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blader4411
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I use Black for batch-painting, as in my mind you can't beat the easy shades/dark colours resulting from that.

I occasionally use White for characters, if I want to play with lighting effects, but as I'm not that good of a painter, this is VERY difficult and hard to fix if mistakes happen.

I've no experience with non-GW undercoats.
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Shadowsliver
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I used Black my first 8 years of painting, as I felt it made it easy to leave black in the recesses to recieve a shade / black lining effect.
I always had trouble getting bright whites, reds, oranges, yellows and greens, but at that time I stuck to more natural colour schemes, so it did not bother me to much.

Now I've switched to white undercoat and will most likely never turn back. Unless I start a black templar, dark elf or other army where I'd have to go with black. Or some speedpaint project where the undercoat would be the main colour (yellow for Imperial Fists, brown or green for nurgle or something like that).

With good use of washes or shaders, you wont need the black first layer to make sure the recesses stays shady. This allows the use of a white undercoat, making it alot easier to use a colourful palett to its full potential, without having the black reduce the effect of the pigment. Furthermore, relying on washes / shaders for the shadows allows for smoother transitions and softer "brown lining" compared to the effects of having black undercoat do that job.

That being said, the best pick depends on the colourscheme and the desired feel. I'm still confident, however, that a white undercoat is the best choice for high end painting, with few exceptions.
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I used to use GW white primer but I tried the army painter "uniform grey" and I don't think I'll ever turn back. It leaves a matte coating and it really is superb!
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Currently using army painter grey and really enjoying it. Details are more easily identified and brighter colors such as red or white much easier to develope. I used to use GW black and found that models where too dark and on the metal minis the primer tended to flake off. Next payday I'm actually going down to restock the grey and maybe try out a brown to speed up slave painting.
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I love bright colours so I go with white :).
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Yavasa
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So far I am using chaos black/abaddon black but I am new to the hobby so I didn't even have time to test something else. :blush:
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25th September 2012 - 08:34 AM
So far I am using chaos black/abaddon black but I am new to the hobby so I didn't even have time to test something else. :blush:
That's how most of us started out.

Though there's now a new "real" paitn on primer, Imperial Primer I'm going to try out for the odd model.

While black has been the dominant way to undercoat (for a while, it seems to go in waves), you know what they say... I can certainly see the sense of using different colours.
Though personally I much more enjoyed painting High Elfs over a black undercoat rather than a white one.

It depends on application really. Painting for play I'd say few things beats a black undercoat as it forgives many a sin later on.

Metals really need a black base.

If you are going really light or planning on dipping then a white or grey is probably better. When dipping a light colour works as well. I've had a reasonably good result going with a lighter-mid brown as a undercoat for Skaven, they are mostly brown anyway.
Armypainter Leather brown is something I can recommend that I've used myself now. Admittedly somewhat limited for now. I'm gonna go back home and undercoat a whole bunch rats this week.

Painting for show the light undercoats is probably better as suggested. I haven't ever tried to go for that level nor envision myself ever doing so I feel I'm going to be stuck in the dark for quite some time.
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25th September 2012 - 11:11 AM
Yavasa
25th September 2012 - 08:34 AM
So far I am using chaos black/abaddon black but I am new to the hobby so I didn't even have time to test something else. :blush:
That's how most of us started out.

Though there's now a new "real" paitn on primer, Imperial Primer I'm going to try out for the odd model.

While black has been the dominant way to undercoat (for a while, it seems to go in waves), you know what they say... I can certainly see the sense of using different colours.
Though personally I much more enjoyed painting High Elfs over a black undercoat rather than a white one.

It depends on application really. Painting for play I'd say few things beats a black undercoat as it forgives many a sin later on.

Metals really need a black base.

If you are going really light or planning on dipping then a white or grey is probably better. When dipping a light colour works as well. I've had a reasonably good result going with a lighter-mid brown as a undercoat for Skaven, they are mostly brown anyway.
Armypainter Leather brown is something I can recommend that I've used myself now. Admittedly somewhat limited for now. I'm gonna go back home and undercoat a whole bunch rats this week.

Painting for show the light undercoats is probably better as suggested. I haven't ever tried to go for that level nor envision myself ever doing so I feel I'm going to be stuck in the dark for quite some time.
Now that's what I call a large chunk of information. Appreciate it. ;)
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25th September 2012 - 11:11 AM

Though there's now a new "real" paint on primer, Imperial Primer I'm going to try out for the odd model.
Update since the thread popped up again. I've tried the paint on primer and frankly, meh. I don't know. Did 5 Gutterrunners (Mordheim models) and had to literally stir some goop in the bottom to make it decent. Gonna try it some more, I have a whole pot after all but so far not as good just painting on old Chaos Black, don't know the new version. GW's new paints really are 6 up half a dozen down for me.

Got a pic of 100 Leather Brown rats in my painting log too. Not that informative admittedly. They are all jumbled in a box.
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Yavasa
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6th October 2012 - 06:59 PM
snowblizz
25th September 2012 - 11:11 AM

Though there's now a new "real" paint on primer, Imperial Primer I'm going to try out for the odd model.
Update since the thread popped up again. I've tried the paint on primer and frankly, meh. I don't know. Did 5 Gutterrunners (Mordheim models) and had to literally stir some goop in the bottom to make it decent. Gonna try it some more, I have a whole pot after all but so far not as good just painting on old Chaos Black, don't know the new version. GW's new paints really are 6 up half a dozen down for me.

Got a pic of 100 Leather Brown rats in my painting log too. Not that informative admittedly. They are all jumbled in a box.
So it seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with the new paints. Is it because of the thickness or the pigment? The old paints seem to have been been better according to most of people.
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In my personal experience, I always knew that paints are diffident even the same color, this is because of the production ( i might exaggerate) but for real. the best way to know you'r gear is using it, test it and if you like how the test looks like, stay whit the formula. The problem about new citadel paint in my opinion is the difference of pigment in them. I use to mix vallejo and citadel and each of my colors have theirs good and bad stuff.

So the only advise I can say is TEST! use the same method whit different primers.

Hope this can help.
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6th October 2012 - 07:06 PM
So it seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with the new paints. Is it because of the thickness or the pigment? The old paints seem to have been been better according to most of people.
Well, chalk part of it to being used to something, this is the first time the paints are really different when it regards consistency. They separating something fierce. That's what annoys me the most now. All paints behave the same as only the metallics used to.


There's a bunch of thoughts here:
http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/topic/8812718/
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snowblizz
7th October 2012 - 08:52 AM
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6th October 2012 - 07:06 PM
So it seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with the new paints. Is it because of the thickness or the pigment? The old paints seem to have been been better according to most of people.
Well, chalk part of it to being used to something, this is the first time the paints are really different when it regards consistency. They separating something fierce. That's what annoys me the most now. All paints behave the same as only the metallics used to.


There's a bunch of thoughts here:
http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/topic/8812718/
I've noticed that too with a lot of the new paints. Open a pot and there looks to be about 3 different colours swirling around. The metallics are a nightmare for it. It looks like glitter in water when I open them and they need stirring! Shaking just doesn't do it.

Another thing that has annoyed me is the shades. I was quite happy with them for a bit but lately a lot (agrax, druchii, biel tan green) started coming out glossy even after furiously shaking them for god knows how long.
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7th October 2012 - 10:30 AM
snowblizz
7th October 2012 - 08:52 AM
Yavasa
6th October 2012 - 07:06 PM
So it seems to me that a lot of people have a problem with the new paints. Is it because of the thickness or the pigment? The old paints seem to have been been better according to most of people.
Well, chalk part of it to being used to something, this is the first time the paints are really different when it regards consistency. They separating something fierce. That's what annoys me the most now. All paints behave the same as only the metallics used to.


There's a bunch of thoughts here:
http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/topic/8812718/
I've noticed that too with a lot of the new paints. Open a pot and there looks to be about 3 different colours swirling around. The metallics are a nightmare for it. It looks like glitter in water when I open them and they need stirring! Shaking just doesn't do it.

Another thing that has annoyed me is the shades. I was quite happy with them for a bit but lately a lot (agrax, druchii, biel tan green) started coming out glossy even after furiously shaking them for god knows how long.
From what I read here, it seems good that I did not have much experience with the old paints. I don't have to be angry with the new quality :P
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