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War-litter question
Topic Started: 2nd September 2012 - 06:51 AM (696 Views)
Warlord Rikx


I'm working on a conversion for a war-litter for my heroes but what is the base size for this?
from all the pictures i've seen i think its a 50x50 but i wanted to make sure before i go and get the wrong base.
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I believe that 40mm by 40mm is recommended, but not mandated.

One further note: you're new here, but as you'll learn, posting in color on the UnderEmpire is for Council members, each of whom has his or her own color to use for editing and official statements. Thus, for example, my color is orange, while the purple that you're using belongs to Silas.
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As Olorin has said, 40x40 is the recommended size, but if you'd wish, you could use a HPA base. (But do expect some 'huh?'s if you do.)
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Hmmh, I don't think there is a size you have to use, and if you make it slightly bigger you may actually be able to fit everything onto it. :D
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40 wide 60 deep is usually okay as well.
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If I were doing a war-litter conversion, I'd probably prefer the 40mm by 60mm base (often called the Screaming Bell base, though it's used for a lot of other models as well), since most of the ideas I've come up with need the depth. But, as it happens, we're doing a competition at the moment, called "Warlord on the Mount", and all four of the contestants who chose to make a Warlord on War-litter wound up using a 40mm by 40mm base. As you'll see if you check out the entries, people have found ways to make the 40 by 40 size work.
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Olorin, the screaming bell base is 60x100 mm (three clanrats wide, 5 clanrats long) right?
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2nd September 2012 - 10:09 AM
Olorin, the screaming bell base is 60x100 mm (three clanrats wide, 5 clanrats long) right?
Yes b ut maybe the old one was on a smaller base?
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2nd September 2012 - 10:24 AM
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2nd September 2012 - 10:09 AM
Olorin, the screaming bell base is 60x100 mm (three clanrats wide, 5 clanrats long) right?
Yes b ut maybe the old one was on a smaller base?
The old bell was really small only displacing 6 clanrats (2 wide, 3 deep) or 40x60mm.
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No, no excuses: of course the Screaming Bell base is 60mm by 100mm. I know that perfectly well, and should even in the middle of the night when I wake up, find myself checking the UE, and then go back to sleep, as happened in this case. Even if I hadn't known, a moment's thought about the size of the models should have made it obvious that I was wrong. I don't know about the size of the old Screaming Bell base, but from pictures I can tell that it was definitely bigger than 40 by 60.

Sorry--and thanks, Will, for catching this! I wouldn't want a newbie to get the wrong idea due to my sleepy stupidity.
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40x60 is the Chariot Base, so in old school terms he was correct in that the old bell was on a chariot base.
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Olorin the Ancient
2nd September 2012 - 07:29 AM
I believe that 40mm by 40mm is recommended, but not mandated.

One further note: you're new here, but as you'll learn, posting in color on the UnderEmpire is for Council members, each of whom has his or her own color to use for editing and official statements. Thus, for example, my color is orange, while the purple that you're using belongs to Silas.
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3rd September 2012 - 07:37 AM
Olorin the Ancient
2nd September 2012 - 07:29 AM
I believe that 40mm by 40mm is recommended, but not mandated.

One further note: you're new here, but as you'll learn, posting in color on the UnderEmpire is for Council members, each of whom has his or her own color to use for editing and official statements. Thus, for example, my color is orange, while the purple that you're using belongs to Silas.
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Heh, not really, but since the colours are usually used for particular purposes, over time we have developed reflexes in response to seeing one of these colours. For instance, Silas uses purple whenever he updates one of the RPGs he GMs, so that flash of purple text when I entered this thread made me go "ooh, turn update!" :P
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Warlord Rikx


If i chose to go with a 40 x 60mm that would be 2 by 3 deep would that still count in my ranks even though its not technically 6 units? because i feel like that would be a bit like cheating.

Also does the WL give a plus one to wounds? or how many wounds does it have? the same amount as the rider?

either way i will probably go with a 40 x 40 because its a simple conversion of 4 SV holding the war litter.

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2nd September 2012 - 10:39 PM
40x60 is the Chariot Base, so in old school terms he was correct in that the old bell was on a chariot base.
No it's totally not.

A chariot base is 50x100. Think that a chariot is usually two horses wide...

There's is a 40x60 base but it's usually quite "special". GW calls it a 40x60mm Monster Base. Not that I can't think of any monster on it.

Did the old Screamingbell come with a base? I would have thought it belonged to the type of bigger monster kits that often did not have one, because they had such non-standard sizes.
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3rd September 2012 - 09:04 AM
If i chose to go with a 40 x 60mm that would be 2 by 3 deep would that still count in my ranks even though its not technically 6 units? because i feel like that would be a bit like cheating.

Also does the WL give a plus one to wounds? or how many wounds does it have? the same amount as the rider?

either way i will probably go with a 40 x 40 because its a simple conversion of 4 SV holding the war litter.

On a side not i like to post in purple, for multiple reasons, one its my favorite color, two its all about the army theme check out that army diary boom!
The mount only does what it says. There's no bonus wounds, the WL doesn't really exists as such. You get a few extra virtual attacks and a better save.

The WL on a WL would indeed occupy as many spaces and count for ranks as he would displace, so long as you make sure the base is a size divisible with the bases it replaces, ie "evenly divided" with 20mm. Has to do with the rules on placing characters in units. And yes, not going too big on the base is a good idea exactly not to appear as trying to take advantage. And you'll be safer if there's ever a proper model released that would define the size.

Also being on a smaller base means more other models can fight, you can more easily move around in the unit and reform it. A smaller base is in most cases a benefit.

And could you please not use purple? I can barely read it against the black background. Just as a suggestion, don't make it purposefully harder to read your posts.
Incidentally not being able to read the text is going to be my excuse when I break some rules... which will of course be time to when Silas is doing the modding to work...
Edited by snowblizz, 3rd September 2012 - 12:59 PM.
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