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Olorin's Law for List Building; One Skavenslave for every 20 points
Topic Started: 19th July 2012 - 08:07 PM (1,373 Views)
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19th July 2012 - 09:08 PM
ignoring ETC.
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lol well even with the ETC restrictions most players ended up taking 120 slaves which is the max and it is a 2.4k tourney so that still matches 1 slave per 20pts exactly :D also my slaves:rest of army is about 116:224 so over 50% of models are slaves but i still pack a punch with a Bell Abomb and furnace Dev
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It's not a coincidence is it, that 2# on the CO13's agenda is "Olorin's Law for the Taxation of Slave Ownership"?
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I'm usually true to my Skaven nature and lurk in the dark corners of the various forums I frequent, observing and plotting for world domination never to be seen or heard (never posting in topics). But this intrigues me, and since I'm almost done with my master plan I feel like it's time to come out from the shadows.

Back to topic. I'm new to Skaven and Warhammer for that matter and so far I've just played a few friendly games with some friends I forced to play the HE army from Island of Blood :)

I feel like I've got the hang of most of it and is soon ready for my first real game. But this topic hit my biggest question: How many units of slaves should I run in xxxxx point games?
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In my own gaming circle, when someone wishes to introduce a new house rule or similar edict, the principle question must be answered within the request; why? I don't believe this proposal has been adequately justified (though, don't take that as myself stating that Skavenslaves need to prove themselves because that is not the case).

For starters, as Math has stated, the 1 model/10pts logic covers this proposal already fairly well. Furthermore, this current suggestion doesn't really do anything other than pidgeonhole a player into a particular unit choice & style of play, where the aforementioned 1 model/10pts rule does not.

Are you going to start suggesting that everyone starts taking Hell Pit Abominations within every list next just because they're better than most other choices?
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20th July 2012 - 10:15 AM
Are you going to start suggesting that everyone starts taking Hell Pit Abominations within every list next just because they're better than most other choices?
If they do they will get some abuse of me :P
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Olorin's Law: "As an online discussion on Skaven army lists grows longer, the probability of someone suggesting that more Skavenslaves be taken approaches 1."

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@kwokka, while there is no "take a hellpit" rule, there is a "take a hammer for every thousand points rounded down."

Again its not a must take rile, but it should generally get new players headed along the right direction.

And again, I do plan to post several non conforming lists at some point to show alternative roughts than a standard or castle list
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Math,

Obviously, the truth is that we're talking about guidelines here: there are no actual rules or laws other than the ones set down by GW. Really, we're talking about what beginners should think about when creating their first Skaven lists. Sometimes, you can't follow the guidelines--as in Cap's example of a tournament that wouldn't let him take his full quotient of Skavenslaves--but in general, these are things that most Skaven players find work well within our current rules. Current is an important word here, since someone who's been away from Warhammer for the last four or five years might well think that buying a lot of Jezzail Teams is the way to go....

People may come up with brilliant new strategies, and they should. I have a fiendish idea for a Death Star build involving a Screaming Bell, but my Screaming Bell is unbuilt, and I haven't tested it yet. If I get around to trying it, and it actually works, I'll post it up here. I know I've learned tons from other people's strategies. Basically, our strategy guide should be a pool of common knowledge, a font of conventional wisdom, if you will. Obviously, conventional wisdom isn't enough. But if you've never played Skaven before, and have no idea of what will work, conventional wisdom definitely beats no wisdom.

So, where are we? What are our defining principles for building a Skaven list?

By the way, Olorin's Law could never be Sketch's suggestion, that "As an online discussion on Skaven army lists grows longer, the probability of someone suggesting that more Skavenslaves be taken approaches 1," since way too many other people have said that first. I wouldn't even know who to credit with that!
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So, where are we? What are our defining principles for building a Skaven list?


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21st July 2012 - 01:54 AM
By the way, Olorin's Law could never be Sketch's suggestion, that "As an online discussion on Skaven army lists grows longer, the probability of someone suggesting that more Skavenslaves be taken approaches 1," since way too many other people have said that first. I wouldn't even know who to credit with that!
Hitler. :P

Besides, it always comes up more than once, and typically fairly quickly. it's not approaching 1, but 50%.
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By the way, Olorin's Law could never be Sketch's suggestion, that "As an online discussion on Skaven army lists grows longer, the probability of someone suggesting that more Skavenslaves be taken approaches 1," since way too many other people have said that first. I wouldn't even know who to credit with that!
Hitler. :P

Besides, it always comes up more than once, and typically fairly quickly. it's not approaching 1, but 50%.
A probability of 1 is 100% although statistics and probability usually does not consider anything certain, thus "it's guaranteed" is expressed as "probability approaches 1". If you feel it always comes up more than once the odds are much much higher than 50%,
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24th July 2012 - 07:32 AM
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23rd July 2012 - 05:49 PM
Besides, it always comes up more than once, and typically fairly quickly. it's not approaching 1, but 50%.
A probability of 1 is 100% although statistics and probability usually does not consider anything certain, thus "it's guaranteed" is expressed as "probability approaches 1". If you feel it always comes up more than once the odds are much much higher than 50%,
Sorry, I ment 50% of the posts will be "Moar slaves", not there's a 50% chance that 1 of the 15 is "Moar Slaves"
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24th July 2012 - 08:44 AM
Sorry, I ment 50% of the posts will be "Moar slaves", not there's a 50% chance that 1 of the 15 is "Moar Slaves"
Anything written by me would not be "Moar slaves": I'm a human, not an Orc, and I'm fully-fluent in English. Therefore, I spell the word "more" correctly.

I don't get these misspellings. Skaven are evil, malignant, conniving rat-creatures who would back-stab you as soon as look at you, but that's no reason to assume that they can't spell. Skaven aren't Greenskins, after all....
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24th July 2012 - 08:43 PM
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24th July 2012 - 08:44 AM
Sorry, I ment 50% of the posts will be "Moar slaves", not there's a 50% chance that 1 of the 15 is "Moar Slaves"
Anything written by me would not be "Moar slaves": I'm a human, not an Orc, and I'm fully-fluent in English. Therefore, I spell the word "more" correctly.

I don't get these misspellings. Skaven are evil, malignant, conniving rat-creatures who would back-stab you as soon as look at you, but that's no reason to assume that they can't spell. Skaven aren't Greenskins, after all....
no, they just do that annoying-annoying double word thing-thing.

I use "Moar Slaves" as a not so suble comment on the value of Army builder posts that contain no original thought or analysis of the list in question.
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Repeating words is completely different: that's just a verbal tick, of the sort common among geniuses, evil and otherwise. Or possibly, the Skaven have been influenced by the French: in French, you don't emphasize a word by stressing it, as you do in English, but by repeating it.
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