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| TrueLancer | 16th July 2012 - 12:48 AM Post #31 |
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Fair enough. However, while words may not have been taken out, it's the context that's important. Me complaining that some Skaven units are "too slow" doesn't mean I'm using that as evidence against anything; rather, it's just hearing the snippet of conversation that has the words "Movement Value 6" and giving some color commentary about it. I'm saying 'I think it's too slow,' and in that case, nothing else. "Blah!" isn't really meant to be a factual assertion of truth, but sorta' casual talk, ya' know. But sure, all's forgiven. There's the whole "Tone + The Internet = Confusion" thing, and your willingness to apologize suggests all sorts of good things. So here's a smiley Eh, not dodging, so much as trying to deal with a HUGE MASSIVE BLOCK OF TEXT. I chose to prioritize the sillier accusations, like dwarf anti-infantry, or the 'is this trolling and vitriol' over 'let me reiterate with quotes...' sorts of stuff. As far as I see it now, nothing else to discuss here unless I feel interested in writing something more than a paragraph and talking a bunch. Writer instincts would take over... not getting paid... not necessarily even wanted... probably not worth the time? I'm acknowledging that the interpretation there is easier, but there's multiple sets of rules, different sections, rules that could/should be a hard-line on how to do things but modified with soft qualifiers, an edition change, and frankly mystifying Army Book diction. The fact that there's any discussion over a "rule" at all is disgusting. Also, while Rules as Written are certainly important, there's something to be said for some common sense. After all, obvious misprints, typos, or plain out mistakes happen and the "Rule 0" section comes into play... there are times when things are just mystifying even with photo-perfect recollection of the entire books. EDIT: Ugh, auto-merging. I'm trying to keep separate posts from being "HUGE WALL OF TEXTY", but forum auto-merged here. Sorry if this is too long and boring and not of relevance to 'everybody.' Edited by TrueLancer, 16th July 2012 - 12:58 AM.
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| Mathusala0 | 16th July 2012 - 01:18 AM Post #32 |
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again. while common sense may be great. the rules have to be followed or else they might as well not be there. we ALL know that bonebreaker is not supposed to be the armies general should we take thanqual. but according to the rules he is. |
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| CapAmr05 | 16th July 2012 - 02:18 AM Post #33 |
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Totally agree, it's really weird how we can shadow intent into a conversation that was not presented (nor intended) from the Author whatsoever. Sorry again for the disconnect on my side.
I guess I'm a glutton for punishment then lol, I find rules discussions really interesting, you get to see how people interpret the rules text, get a glimpse at their thought process and I learn way more by debating and researching a rule(s) than I have by just reading it (thinking I knew what it meant) and never thinking about it again.
I agree with this also, often we get involved with a rule interaction at the Micro level (we just want to know how A and B interact) and unfortunately a lot of people never take a few steps back to look at the over arching impact at the Macro level that a certain ruling could have on the game. That was the perspective I was taking on the troop type discussion; whatever conclusion one takes on "Mounted Troop Type" will ultimately affect the long term survivability of our mounted characters via the "Look Out Sir"; that impact is more important to me honestly than the actual classification of the model (the difference between Cav and Warbeast is virtually zero when you take LOS out of the equation); the after-affect impact and that being solid in addition to the Micro answer being solid are what's important to me. GW does their best to create a balance in logic within their rules; ofcourse with thousands of rules and tens of thousands of possible game-rule-interactions it's nigh impossible for them to sew up all the loose ends. Honestly, I've found most FAQs about rules clashing to follow GW's created "common sense" in their answers. --Cap Edited by CapAmr05, 16th July 2012 - 02:20 AM.
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| TrueLancer | 16th July 2012 - 10:05 AM Post #34 |
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Yeah, most of the FAQs make sense. It's just the mistakes are especially glaring and contradictory, which (I suppose) is why they stick out so much in people's minds. I'd say the majority of the stuff is great - it's just the details, the professionalism, the minutia, that makes me want to cry sometimes. Also, the "rules discussions = disgusting" is more a complaint about not proofreading their book - I also like rules discussions. There's lots of neat things packed into the background that often doesn't get a chance to come up. Re: Boneripper = General. That's something I saw and realized that there's no way that can be true, something unclear is being said, etc., but it's certainly defensible. And the weird thing is, the moment I say it, it sounds like it's a great thing (Ld. 10, a big tough Rat Ogre general) and it would make people rage to play against... yet a little thought reveals it's really a terrible thing (a general is linked to a wimpy caster who is just aching to be murdered, can't leave a 12" bubble around Thanquol or he becomes a defenseless little kitten). The Leadership/General rule makes it a pretty straightforward claim with no 'rules' to dispute it, but there's no possible way that can be true. Why oh why oh why didn't an editor knowledgeable of the rules see that and immediately add in one sentence or clause to fix it? It's infuriating! Edited by TrueLancer, 18th July 2012 - 11:11 PM.
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| CapAmr05 | 16th July 2012 - 01:54 PM Post #35 |
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*cough* BoneRIPPER *cough* --Cap |
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| TrueLancer | 18th July 2012 - 11:11 PM Post #36 |
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Oops, that was careless. Fixed! Edited by TrueLancer, 18th July 2012 - 11:17 PM.
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| CapAmr05 | 18th July 2012 - 11:30 PM Post #37 |
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I didn't even notice you'd said it, I was coughing for Math --Cap |
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