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Topic Started: 23rd June 2012 - 03:10 AM (2,048 Views)
Mikeos


After a bit of research, I think I have found that in India and the Khmer empire, although soldiers rarely carried shields, those that did carried large wooden shields similar to those found in Tomb Kings sets. I think with a nice eastern paint job these could be nice for stormvermin.
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I'm not familiar with that design of shield in a south-east asian culture other than in the Philippines (bagobo shields have a similar style). Round convex shields seem to be more common, the style I see most are the round ones with multiple bosses used by the malays and south indians (particularly for kalaripaya). Some Khmer temple murals also depict soldiers with round shields.

That said, tomb king shields do have a stronger ethnic flavour compared to basic round shields, plus the asian round shields need to be convex to set it apart from, say, viking shields.


Here are some malay shield pics for reference:
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Indonesian shield
Edited by scrivener, 29th June 2012 - 04:09 AM.
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Wow yeah, I guess I was completely wrong there lol. :lol: Those almost seem like they could be mistaken for Greek shields if I didn't get the right ones. I think I will probably be able to get round shields easily, or make some myself and decorate them in an eastern way.

For my paint, which citadel paint do you think would best fit the saffron Buddhist monk robe color? I have been messing with different oranges and yellows to try and find a good color, but I cant seem to replicate it.
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Although this is in India and not Indochina or Thailand, I think this could be part of the relationship of the Skaven with the local inhabitants. - Rat Temple -

I also read about a time every 48 years when the rats in northeast India (very close to the Southeast-Asian peninsula) suddenly have a population boom and overrun the crops in the region. It has to do with the flowering and fruiting of the bamboo in the region which happens only every 48 years, giving the rats plenty of fruit to eat and increasing the amount of breeding they do. Maybe a Grey Seer causes some sort of similar phenomenon to happen in Khuresh to feed the hordes of Clanrats and slaves who are heading to Khuresh to mine the rumored warpstone.

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Actually, the Lord of the Rings Mūmak is not to scale for your purposes, because Mūmakil (the plural of Mūmak) are supposed to be several times larger than an African elephant. Asian elephants are smaller, where even the males are only 10' high at the shoulder. Female elephants are under 8', meaning that a scale model would be around the same height at the shoulder as the top of a Space Marine's head!

By contrast, the Mūmak model is over 5" at the shoulder, making it around three times larger than a correctly-scaled Asian elephant. I'd suggest you look for a toy elephant instead, making sure that it's under 2" high.

I think a Warlord on War-litter could be given a really flavorful conversion for this army, as well.
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30th June 2012 - 10:46 PM
Actually, the Lord of the Rings Mūmak is not to scale for your purposes, because Mūmakil (the plural of Mūmak) are supposed to be several times larger than an African elephant. Asian elephants are smaller, where even the males are only 10' high at the shoulder. Female elephants are under 8', meaning that a scale model would be around the same height at the shoulder as the top of a Space Marine's head!
It is indeed a big model, but as long as its footprint is still proportionate to what one would expect from a screaming bell, it shouldn't be too much trouble. Size can always be explained by saying that it's a Khuresh elephant, or that you've mutated it with warpstone. Considering that imperial griffons are like 30 times the size of a high elf griffin these days... ;)
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1st July 2012 - 11:51 PM
It is indeed a big model, but as long as its footprint is still proportionate to what one would expect from a screaming bell, it shouldn't be too much trouble. Size can always be explained by saying that it's a Khuresh elephant, or that you've mutated it with warpstone. Considering that imperial griffons are like 30 times the size of a high elf griffin these days... ;)
The base of the Screaming Bell measures only 4" x 2.5"; the base of the Mūmak is an oval measuring 7.5" x 5.5", with the tail, trunk, and tusks extending past the base to make the model almost 9" long. tail to tusks. You'd need to join together four Screaming Bell bases just to accommodate it!
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Yikes, he is indeed big... this might be the only way we could make the model fit the base, then:

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I don't know how you could work it into the fluff, but Southeast Asia is rife with Cobras and reptiles of unusual size. Stormvermin models riding on the Tomb Kings snake knight things (only the finest technical terms for Skaven) might be a cool addition, and an excuse to write up some home grow rules :D
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I'd not have the Skaven mixing with snakes. I think they'd treat any carnivore preying on rats as a bad omen at the very least, if not the cause of a species-wide phobia!
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I have seen a few Indian elephants that are about the right scale for these miniatures, but I would have to find another use than the screaming bell because the models are sort of small for it.
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I don't think it would be right to have an elephant that is right to scale for clanrats. This is heroic fantasy so it's supposed to be larger. I think an elephant that fit's on the bell base is the right size, rather than an elephant on the right scale. Of course, if you get smaller elephants than the base, maybe two of them can drag the bell-platform?
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It just occurred to me that while toy stores tend to have larger elephants (anything too small can be a choking hazard for toddlers), I think I've seen elephant figures that are the right size in museum gift shops, particularly science museums. I don't know where you are, but that might be a place to start.
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Olorin the Ancient
4th July 2012 - 08:01 PM
It just occurred to me that while toy stores tend to have larger elephants (anything too small can be a choking hazard for toddlers), I think I've seen elephant figures that are the right size in museum gift shops, particularly science museums. I don't know where you are, but that might be a place to start.
This is an excellent idea! I live near several science museums that are about the same distance from me in several directions, and I think I might even have some model elephants that would be the right size already in my house. I will have to see if they fit on the base properly.
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3rd July 2012 - 07:44 PM
I'd not have the Skaven mixing with snakes. I think they'd treat any carnivore preying on rats as a bad omen at the very least, if not the cause of a species-wide phobia!
Ah that makes sense haha. Thats called me not thinkin :blink:
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