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Does anyone field...; Rat Ogres any more?
Topic Started: 12th June 2012 - 12:37 AM (1,870 Views)
Nurglitch IX
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warlordsteve
19th June 2012 - 11:25 PM
I am considering taking some to my next tournament.

Has anyone considered using them in units of 2 with 2 packmasters?
I plan to use them only 1 wide 2 deep formation.
With 7 S5 and 2 S3 attacks form a 40mm frontage I see them as a good way to clean out chaff or add some combat prowess if charge into a combat with slaves.
Also at only 92 points it doesn't matter that much if the enemy targets them as it means your main combat units will be making it in untouched.
Not seeing how you're getting the 2 S3 on a 40mm frontage. Pack Masters can attack over 1 RO, but not over 2.
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you're right...too used to them going over giant rats.
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I tried this a while back. They are ok but generally bounce when the unit they charge in with loses combat your RO tend to run of.
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I run Rat Ogres in almost every game I play with Skaven. They are my favourite unit, and along with the Doomwheel, are the reason I got into Skaven, so for me, these units HAVE to be present! Even back in 6th ed. where Rat Ogres were rubbish I used to run a unit or 2 of them. Usually in 8th ed. I go all out with 8 or more Rat Ogres, occasionally with Skweel or a Bonebreaker backing them up. They never earn their points back, but they scare the opponents, and its always fun when they do go crazy and smash up an enemy unit! Im running a horde in a 6k game on the weekend, which Im really looking forward to!

For a while when that Hellpit army list was out I used to run practically entire armies of Rat Ogres. That was fun...

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20th June 2012 - 11:46 AM
I run Rat Ogres in almost every game I play with Skaven. They are my favourite unit, and along with the Doomwheel, are the reason I got into Skaven, so for me, these units HAVE to be present! Even back in 6th ed. where Rat Ogres were rubbish I used to run a unit or 2 of them. Usually in 8th ed. I go all out with 8 or more Rat Ogres, occasionally with Skweel or a Bonebreaker backing them up. They never earn their points back, but they scare the opponents, and its always fun when they do go crazy and smash up an enemy unit! Im running a horde in a 6k game on the weekend, which Im really looking forward to!

For a while when that Hellpit army list was out I used to run practically entire armies of Rat Ogres. That was fun...

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OH dear lord - imagine a 1000 point UNIT of Rat Ogres. *shivers*

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you cannot field an unit of 2 with 2 packmaster, max is one packmaster per 2 ogres
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Rambage
20th June 2012 - 08:16 PM
you cannot field an unit of 2 with 2 packmaster, max is one packmaster per 2 ogres
Wrong.

First off, in the FAQ it is clearly stated that you can, in fact, have a unit of 2 RO and 2 Packmasters. The reason for this is because you start with 1 Packmaster, and can add one for each 2 Rat Ogres, not for each Rat Ogre you add after the first two.
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20th June 2012 - 10:28 AM
I tried this a while back. They are ok but generally bounce when the unit they charge in with loses combat your RO tend to run of.
i can certainly imagine that happening.

Ran 2 units of them last night....I wasn't unhappy with them, though niether got their points back, but they did prove a threat to my O&G opponent and as such 1 held up a flank for 3-4 turns while he tried to keep out of charge range.

I'll be fielding them in my up coming tournie, so I'll see how they fair there
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I recently fielded a unit of 9 (4, 4, 1+pack masters) in a 1250 tournament with great success. However this tournament had weird comp witch sort of helped them work (unit cap of 30). I always thought that they should work in all games with 4 man frontages however have never had much success with them. I used to field a hoard of 22 with skweel. However i have now stopped havening discovered that this does not work with the current rules as there are no rules that allow you to deploy skweel and monstrous ranks say the it specially applies to unit consisting entirely of monstrous infantry so a hoard of rat ogres would have to have a frontage of 10. However i don’t want to start that discussion again.
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20th June 2012 - 10:05 PM
I recently fielded a unit of 9 (4, 4, 1+pack masters) in a 1250 tournament with great success. However this tournament had weird comp witch sort of helped them work (unit cap of 30). I always thought that they should work in all games with 4 man frontages however have never had much success with them. I used to field a hoard of 22 with skweel. However i have now stopped havening discovered that this does not work with the current rules as there are no rules that allow you to deploy skweel and monstrous ranks say the it specially applies to unit consisting entirely of monstrous infantry so a hoard of rat ogres would have to have a frontage of 10. However i don’t want to start that discussion again.
why not, it's been so very much fun the last four times we've beat it like the zombie equine it is? :sick:

I'm working on some Numbers and Charts for 10 Monks vs 6 RO and 30 Monks vs. 18 RO. It's all lossless data though, you'll obviously need a rank or 2 more of each.
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I actually put 3 on the flank today and suprisingly they managed to get into the flank of 38 gors and help chew them up it was quiet a surprise to win that one with that banner of Str bsb.
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warlordsteve
19th June 2012 - 11:25 PM
I am considering taking some to my next tournament.

Has anyone considered using them in units of 2 with 2 packmasters?
I plan to use them only 1 wide 2 deep formation.
With 7 S5 and 2 S3 attacks form a 40mm frontage I see them as a good way to clean out chaff or add some combat prowess if charge into a combat with slaves.
Also at only 92 points it doesn't matter that much if the enemy targets them as it means your main combat units will be making it in untouched.
Yeah, it seems Rat Ogres have some use at the very small or very large end. Maybe some items from a character might help?

Skweel doesn't help a small unit of Rat Ogres because some of his abilities (specifically the extra attack and poison) aren't very good for ~15 points a pop (that goes down as you get more rat ogres in a unit with Skweel, though). With Str5 and a 3-4 attacks, Poison just isn't that great of an ability. A few extra attacks from monstrous units with +1 extra attacks each doesn't help since back ranks can't add much to it, so you're really only getting anywhere from 3-5 attacks from your Rat Ogres... and even if you horde them, it's possible to have some Rat Ogres hanging out not helping.

On the other hand, a Horde of Giant Rats will always benefit from Skweel. I have a 80x Giant Rat unit and it's pretty awesome. Some cheap heroes can make this unit get some MR or resistance to shooting. Master Moulders
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I've used Rat Ogres on and off depending on my list, but the times I've used them they've performed admirably.

I used a unit of 6 last night in a game against High Elves, and they did very well. They were deployed well away from his archers, so they didn't get shot at, and the psychological aspect caused him to waste his Silverhelms grinding through their Clanrat flank defense for three turns. He held his Dragon Princes back ready to engage the Ogres, but a combination of the Clanrat-Silverhelm combat and a nearby forest denied him the charge. This allowed the Ogres to charge off in a completely different direction into the flank of his Swordmasters, which ran away and were chased down due to the huge number of S5 attacks combined with the static combat res from the Clanrats in their front.

I think the perceived threat is greater than their actual ability, which causes opponents to make mistakes, either dandying about in the movement phase or over-committing forces that he could better use elsewhere. For that, their worth their weight in gold.
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Brought them against the Empire (a unit of 6, 2 packmaster and skweel).
Even if i got the poison from skweel I was surprised on how good they performed. Sweel itself isn't that bad. They chewed trough empire lines like they were butter
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1st point, never used them
2nd point, never used any Skaven

having said that I have 4 Rat Ogres, unbuilt, they do however seem to fill a gap in the army. they are able to put out high strength attacks and have a few wounds. as such suggest considering them the way O&G players run trolls. reasonable sized formations 6-8 strong use them as something else the enemy must deal with, they may die, but any shots that hit them are not hitting something else.

They look like they could do ok when supported, but on thier own are a waste as they will last probably one turn.

could be good against stuff like goblins etc, where the strength of the RO will remove the enemy armour saves and a T3 enemy thats not amazing at fighting would take a while to munch through them.

suggests deploying either front and centre as a distraction or bait for a tough enemy unit or on the flank where the fear factor comes in.

either way will have four, and when I get a further battation set will have more. and can always use as unit fillers otherwise
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