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Multiple War-litters; Anyone ever considered it?
Topic Started: 14th May 2012 - 03:20 PM (537 Views)
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Say for example, you wanted to use multiple warlords... and didn't really have stormvermin units to put them in, only clanrats.
now, clanrats aren't as formidable as their elite alternative, but what if the unit was 6 wide and had three warlord war-litters in front?

i can understand that this probably isn't very practical, or efficient for that matter. but it sure sounds pretty awesome.

also, in a somewhat related note: is it wrong to put war-litter warlords in clanrat units? or is that considered... impractical as that unit should be avoiding combat from the enemy's elite? (and should just then be tooled for survival and without the cost of a war-litter)
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14th May 2012 - 03:20 PM
also, in a somewhat related note: is it wrong to put war-litter warlords in clanrat units? or is that considered... impractical as that unit should be avoiding combat from the enemy's elite? (and should just then be tooled for survival and without the cost of a war-litter)
Big 3 (Champ, Std, Mus) have to be in the front row if they exist, so you'd be giving up your standard, and wouldn't be regrouping.

BUUUUUTTTTT... as I understand your tactical idea, it's "Let's use cheep rats to give a Lord unit some RANKS." which sounds intrigueing, and to which I will counter Slaves and SkitterLeap. Use the slaves to make the ranks, and then Skitterleap the surviving Warlord out of there when the other one dies, so that exploding slaves don't kill him.

Also, you could Go Warlitter, Fellblade, Warlitter to get 5, and the Fellblade doesn't look that dangerous on the table now.
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Big 3 (Champ, Std, Mus) have to be in the front row if they exist, so you'd be giving up your standard, and wouldn't be regrouping.


Not true. For a banner to count for Combat Res it just needs to be in the unit in combat, it does not have to be in the first rank to count (based on the lack of such language being housed in the Banner Bearer section of the command chapter).

What makes 3 Warlitter Warlords in combat possible is called Make Way (Page 100). The Warlords (+Litters) who can't fit upfront while the unit is moving about the table do indeed hang out in the second rank.... BUT.... Once the unit makes it into combat (before impact hits) the Warlords can step forward and displace any rank and file models (including Command).

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This sounds like a pretty cool tactic lol!
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14th May 2012 - 05:11 PM
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Big 3 (Champ, Std, Mus) have to be in the front row if they exist, so you'd be giving up your standard, and wouldn't be regrouping.
Not true. For a banner to count for Combat Res it just needs to be in the unit in combat, it does not have to be in the first rank to count (based on the lack of such language being housed in the Banner Bearer section of the command chapter).
I ment that if you took him he'd be in front, breaking your rank, not that he wouldn't count from rank 2, as I'd misread the rule below:
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What makes 3 Warlitter Warlords in combat possible is called Make Way (Page 100). The Warlords (+Litters) who can't fit upfront while the unit is moving about the table do indeed hang out in the second rank.... BUT.... Once the unit makes it into combat (before impact hits) the Warlords can step forward and displace any rank and file models (including Command).
For some reason I thought MakeWay didn't work for command units.

Here's one though: Make Way says "swap his position with another MODEL* that is in Base contact with the enemy." The Warlitter would require at least 4 models of displacement. Does it still work?

* Emphisis is mine, not the books.
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Exact wording from the book;

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exchange him with rank and file model(s)


As long as the footprint meshes up within the unit it should.

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14th May 2012 - 05:43 PM

Here's one though: Make Way says "swap his position with another MODEL* that is in Base contact with the enemy." The Warlitter would require at least 4 models of displacement. Does it still work?

* Emphisis is mine, not the books.
The book says "model(s)" so you can indeed displace more.
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This is an Ogre tactic

have 2 firebellies and a champion they make way and you have to allocate on them and can only hit them which is very hard to kill them to be able to target the unit unless you have the sword of anti heros of course.
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This is an Ogre tactic

have 2 firebellies and a champion they make way and you have to allocate on them and can only hit them which is very hard to kill them to be able to target the unit unless you have the sword of anti heros of course.


You are right.

I was thinking of running a chieftain with sword of anti heroes and a lord with fellblade. If he stays back my lord kills the whole rank and file unit, if he comes forward the hero gets +2S +2A. Also try to cast Death frenzy on them and your characters gain +2A :)
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Cool idea... I would not be thinking of the fellblade though. potion of S and sword of striking... or first strike.

Also with death frenzy they wouldnt get +2A... they would get +2A and +2A for the litter...

so from the 3 models... at least 18 S4 attacks from warlords... with 18 S4 attacks from the litter.

not bad i reckon... just need poison. lol.

would you get supporting attacks?

or only if you go horde.

If one had warpstone armour you could have even more attacks... definately the best way to deal with elf spear hordes. lol. Except for magic and shooting... and abomb... and massed slaves... you get the idea.
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15th May 2012 - 03:55 AM

Also with death frenzy they wouldnt get +2A... they would get +2A and +2A for the litter...
Since the warlord and litter count as a single model would it not be +2 attacks in total?
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