Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
When we get our new book...,; In a few years
Topic Started: 17th April 2012 - 10:57 AM (4,070 Views)
Scarr, Reincarnated
Member Avatar
11th creator of the Skaven Achievements. Binder of IceAc.
Mbh
27th April 2012 - 03:43 PM
fellblade will stay (I think)
100% sure of that. Symbolic and not even unusable.
The Pox on you, AND your kind!

Player of games, watcher of games, gamer of plays.


Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sleboda
Member Avatar
Pensive Penguins Fan

Vermitt Stain
26th April 2012 - 11:11 PM
but if it is truly that bad how come there are several people who have success with them, and i swear someone managed to win a GT or major tourney with a khalida army as well.
To be honest, it would take way too much space to go over it here. Thread derailment and all that.

Short answer is that the Khalida build is seen as the _one_ build that can win consistently, and even then it's only when you can't build against it - such as the case with tournaments.

Quote:
 

what do you personally feel is the main weakness in the book? and please don't say everything

=> Ok, but seriously it's too much to cover here. Check out the TK forum. Anything I could post here would not do justice to the argument. A surface complaint would seem to be easily dismissed, but their problems are very deeply entrenched and require a lot of consideration to really appreciate.

True scholars have more than just one book to study.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Nurglitch IX
Member Avatar
Avatar by count zero

Just stumbled over this Gem: note the date - 10 months to the day before our book dropped.

Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
9th January 2009 - 10:07 PM
*ponders*... I think that more or less comes due to the fact that the Ratling Gun is an auto-hit weapon. Even while the armybook is still far off in the future, I am really wondering whether it would be a bad thing if it could move and shoot, if it would lose the auto-hit option.

I mean, as you get a penalty for moving anyway, would approximately ten shots at a 5+ to hit be that frightening, when it would come at you?

Greetz
-img-http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/underempire/PRS%20Banners/2hfhshwet.jpg[/img]
This Space for Rent
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
reddogfish77
Grey Seer
Hmmm.... I was thinking how about a stolen book as a magic item...

makes the wizard a level 4 and gives him access to 4 spells from a random spell lore...

sounds cool eh?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Grey Seer Kwokka
Member Avatar
I'm a rat, I'm a rat, I'm a clever-clever rat!
I think that might be a bit excessive. The Wizard Hat is a meaty 100pts and only half as effective as that.

I would like to see magic items with some tactical application remain, like the Infernal Bomb.
IT'S INSANE!: The army diary for Clan Kwokka (sub-sect of Clan Volkn), currently led by Krushklaw the Mad, the evincar of evisceration.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
CapAmr05
Member Avatar


I agree.

I think they could accomplish that by merging the Doomrocket and Infernal Bomb. Instead of placing the 'bomb' while moving, you shoot it into place and can then elect to detonate it at a later point (maybe the longer the bomb waits to go off the slightly stronger/ bigger the hit will be? but it has to roll to not explode or something). A tactical weapon that still has a plausible misfire.

--Cap
Lonewolf Grand Tournament April 28-30

The Beer Phase Podcast

Clan Skrittar
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Royos
Member Avatar


Sleboda
18th April 2012 - 05:51 PM
BTW, I'm thinking that the biggest reason the Empire got a new book (there are others, but this is the biggest) was warrior priests auto generation of dispel dice.

TK, Ogres, and VC were out of step magically with the rest of the system and each was brought back in line. Priests made a mockery of the winds of magic roll before.


EDIT: I did just think of something general I would like in a new book:

Reduce the randomness. Yes, yes, I know. "Skaven are all about the random!" Sure, it can be a part of the attraction for a Skaven player, but that doesn't necessarily mean it makes for a fun game. In fact, opponents often (in my experience) end up complaining vociferously when our stuff ends up going right. They say it's too cheap or too powerful. They never remember the times when it all failed for us, but we do. It just makes for such huge swings in the game experience. It's hard to just enjoy the game knowing that the 2000pts you put on the table may perform as if it were worth 2500 or 1500. Sure, all armies have moments of great luck, but most Skaven stuff focuses on luck, which is different.

There just has to be a way to keep the 'feel' of dangerous and wild Skaven stuff without it turning the game in an unbalanced affair for one player or the other.
Ok, agree with you here and disagree with you. (but mostly agree).

Agree with you for the exact same reasons you said already. Basically, it can be a bit embarassing when your army totally fails. I dont have an army myself but I have used my friends Skaven army as he doesnt use it. It took me a while to get used to it and I had some epic failures to begin with, but now its the opposite. I played a guy with a orc / gobbo army, smashed him, and he said exactly what you said, "oh too powerful and cheap". Then we had another game and my luck went haywire, stuff jamed, exploded and then died or ran away etc. So I was like "yea cheap and plentiful, but bloody random".

So I see your point, but also I like the randomness, it is part and parcel with the Skaven fluff and character. However, i used to like the randomness more before I started playing Lizzies, those guys are stable. now Im back with Skaven again (this time building my own army) Im starting to remember those not so good old days when everything used to blow up and miss fire...
Edited by Royos, 26th May 2012 - 07:54 AM.
Royhammer (Army Diary)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SkavenInAZ
Member Avatar


How have I missed this thread.... Lots of good stuff here.

We got our 8th edition book already -- this book was one of their testers for how the 8th ed books would work -- like Beastmen. Blame Phil all you want, but I believe that they were too conservative on purpose for the Beastmen book in trying to standardize power levels. They realized they overcompensated and then they pendulum swung over to the over-powered Skaven book. From those two calibrations, now they're generally happy with where things are. Clanrats/Slaves won't be replaced anytime soon -- that was one of their nice new plastikits and GW is surely drooling over raising the price on that box over and over again. They'll redo some of the needed things, nerfbat some things, and bring us generally into line with the accepted 9th ed power level by 2015 or so.

The suggested order of things is where I want to throw a wrench into the mix:

I predict the Wood Elves die to global warming (i.e. Squatdeath).


  • GW can't figure out how to do them correctly with 8th ed. This has been widely speculated on.
  • They already have 2 Elf armies out there -- and elves are not the Fantasy version of Space Marines.
  • Their army has been written fluff-wise around concepts which do not work in 8th edition.
  • Their magic items have always been an intrinsic part of their list and a big piece of what made the army work -- bringing it line with 8th edition will upset a lot of people.
  • Noone loves hippies anymore (joke)
  • With roughly 16 army books currently, this would open the door for a new army -- something like Cathay which has been long rumored and speculated on.


Let the stick throwing commence at my heresy!


Posted Image
]
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

I could see that happening. They just don't have enough blocks of infantry for 8th edition. But I do hope they can do something for the Wood Elves. It used to be a cool army way back but the more recent versions are not that fun to play against. Playing wood elves sometimes almost feels like playing against a 40k army.

The current model range has some of the most awful looking figures as well. Such bad sculpts imo.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
hannanibal
Member Avatar
The bread that satisfies all hunger... the peanut that reverses time...
I'll have a bash at this even though I couldn't care less if GW did get rid of Fail Elves. :P

Quote:
 
GW can't figure out how to do them correctly with 8th ed. This has been widely speculated on.

Speculation! Pah! Internet speculation is as reliable as a stopped clock. Yeah it might be right twice a day but the rest of the time it's plain wrong.

Quote:
 
They already have 2 Elf armies out there -- and elves are not the Fantasy version of Space Marines.

True. No Fantasy Army really compares to Space Marines. There are at least 6 chapters with their own specific models and units that I can think of off the top of my head, all for what essentially is the same army.
Yeah there are 3 elf armies already but if they get rid of Wood Elves and replace them with Cathay then there will be 3 human armies and all for the forces of order (I suspect Cathay wouldn't be Force of Destruction if it did make an army but i could be wrong).

Quote:
 
Their army has been written fluff-wise around concepts which do not work in 8th edition.

GW could either re-write the fluff like they do all the time or make myriad new special rules to strengthen their style of play to suit this edition.

Quote:
 
Their magic items have always been an intrinsic part of their list and a big piece of what made the army work -- bringing it line with 8th edition will upset a lot of people.

GW's attitude will be "deal with it" like it always is.

Quote:
 
Noone loves hippies anymore (joke)

True.

Quote:
 
With roughly 16 army books currently, this would open the door for a new army -- something like Cathay which has been long rumored and speculated on.


See point 2.
Chaos Army Diary
Skaven Army Diary
My Flickr page
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

I think wood elves are at least popular enough that GW couldn't really get rid of them. They are not at the level that Chaos Dwarfs were when they were removed.


But this debate might not even matter. There is a rumor that GW has a finished plastic treeman kit that they are wating to relese. If that is the case, then there is no way WE will be gone.

Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mathusala0
Member Avatar
The Evil Underlord

the most likely rumor is that they will get merged with bretonnians.
Posted Image
The Glossary of Common Underempire Lingo
The Skaven Guide to competitive list building (8th Edition)
The Skaven Castle Formation
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
hannanibal
Member Avatar
The bread that satisfies all hunger... the peanut that reverses time...
@Mbh. Oh really? Nice. As much as I hate the Wood Elves (mainly because of their sculpts) I do love the dryads and some of the old treemen models. I remember on from about 20 years ago. I t was epic. Really frightening looking. Then Durthu came along and bodged everything up.
Ever since the Wood Elves were redone in the late 90's they have been fail on top of fail.

I loved the Chaos Dwarfs and was gutted that they disappeared but at least they re-released the Great Taurus and the Lammasu and the FW Chaos Dwarfs are lovely. It's just the price tag that is awful.
Mathusala0
29th May 2012 - 07:47 PM
the most likely rumor is that they will get merged with bretonnians.
That would kill 2 birds with one stone and work fluff-wise too.
Edited by hannanibal, 29th May 2012 - 07:52 PM.
Chaos Army Diary
Skaven Army Diary
My Flickr page
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

Mathusala0
29th May 2012 - 07:47 PM
the most likely rumor is that they will get merged with bretonnians.
No

This has been debunked multiple times


hannanibal
29th May 2012 - 07:49 PM
@Mbh. Oh really? Nice. As much as I hate the Wood Elves (mainly because of their sculpts) I do love the dryads and some of the old treemen models. I remember on from about 20 years ago. I t was epic. Really frightening looking. Then Durthu came along and bodged everything up.
Ever since the Wood Elves were redone in the late 90's they have been fail on top of fail.

Yup

I don't mean to be too harsh bc I know lots of people like the current we range, but it's the most vile stuff gw has made in years.

The plastic glade guards and riders...ugh

I won't even bother mentioning the treekin or treeman.


I have an all metal we army from the 80s so I do hope they get a new book some day.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Nurglitch IX
Member Avatar
Avatar by count zero

Mbh
29th May 2012 - 08:37 PM
Mathusala0
29th May 2012 - 07:47 PM
the most likely rumor is that they will get merged with bretonnians.
No

This has been debunked multiple times

No seriously, it happening, look: http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/single/?p=8093417&t=8812401

Dev
-img-http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/underempire/PRS%20Banners/2hfhshwet.jpg[/img]
This Space for Rent
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Skaven Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply