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| Scarr, Reincarnated | 27th April 2012 - 04:01 PM Post #76 |
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11th creator of the Skaven Achievements. Binder of IceAc.
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100% sure of that. Symbolic and not even unusable. |
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| Sleboda | 27th April 2012 - 06:51 PM Post #77 |
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To be honest, it would take way too much space to go over it here. Thread derailment and all that. Short answer is that the Khalida build is seen as the _one_ build that can win consistently, and even then it's only when you can't build against it - such as the case with tournaments.
=> Ok, but seriously it's too much to cover here. Check out the TK forum. Anything I could post here would not do justice to the argument. A surface complaint would seem to be easily dismissed, but their problems are very deeply entrenched and require a lot of consideration to really appreciate. |
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| Nurglitch IX | 27th April 2012 - 08:43 PM Post #78 |
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Just stumbled over this Gem: note the date - 10 months to the day before our book dropped.
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| reddogfish77 | 10th May 2012 - 04:00 AM Post #79 |
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Hmmm.... I was thinking how about a stolen book as a magic item... makes the wizard a level 4 and gives him access to 4 spells from a random spell lore... sounds cool eh? |
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| Grey Seer Kwokka | 10th May 2012 - 01:47 PM Post #80 |
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I'm a rat, I'm a rat, I'm a clever-clever rat!
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I think that might be a bit excessive. The Wizard Hat is a meaty 100pts and only half as effective as that. I would like to see magic items with some tactical application remain, like the Infernal Bomb. |
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| CapAmr05 | 10th May 2012 - 04:50 PM Post #81 |
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I agree. I think they could accomplish that by merging the Doomrocket and Infernal Bomb. Instead of placing the 'bomb' while moving, you shoot it into place and can then elect to detonate it at a later point (maybe the longer the bomb waits to go off the slightly stronger/ bigger the hit will be? but it has to roll to not explode or something). A tactical weapon that still has a plausible misfire. --Cap |
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| Royos | 26th May 2012 - 07:51 AM Post #82 |
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Ok, agree with you here and disagree with you. (but mostly agree). Agree with you for the exact same reasons you said already. Basically, it can be a bit embarassing when your army totally fails. I dont have an army myself but I have used my friends Skaven army as he doesnt use it. It took me a while to get used to it and I had some epic failures to begin with, but now its the opposite. I played a guy with a orc / gobbo army, smashed him, and he said exactly what you said, "oh too powerful and cheap". Then we had another game and my luck went haywire, stuff jamed, exploded and then died or ran away etc. So I was like "yea cheap and plentiful, but bloody random". So I see your point, but also I like the randomness, it is part and parcel with the Skaven fluff and character. However, i used to like the randomness more before I started playing Lizzies, those guys are stable. now Im back with Skaven again (this time building my own army) Im starting to remember those not so good old days when everything used to blow up and miss fire... Edited by Royos, 26th May 2012 - 07:54 AM.
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| SkavenInAZ | 29th May 2012 - 02:13 PM Post #83 |
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How have I missed this thread.... Lots of good stuff here. We got our 8th edition book already -- this book was one of their testers for how the 8th ed books would work -- like Beastmen. Blame Phil all you want, but I believe that they were too conservative on purpose for the Beastmen book in trying to standardize power levels. They realized they overcompensated and then they pendulum swung over to the over-powered Skaven book. From those two calibrations, now they're generally happy with where things are. Clanrats/Slaves won't be replaced anytime soon -- that was one of their nice new plastikits and GW is surely drooling over raising the price on that box over and over again. They'll redo some of the needed things, nerfbat some things, and bring us generally into line with the accepted 9th ed power level by 2015 or so. The suggested order of things is where I want to throw a wrench into the mix: I predict the Wood Elves die to global warming (i.e. Squatdeath).
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| Deleted User | 29th May 2012 - 06:02 PM Post #84 |
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I could see that happening. They just don't have enough blocks of infantry for 8th edition. But I do hope they can do something for the Wood Elves. It used to be a cool army way back but the more recent versions are not that fun to play against. Playing wood elves sometimes almost feels like playing against a 40k army. The current model range has some of the most awful looking figures as well. Such bad sculpts imo. |
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| hannanibal | 29th May 2012 - 07:29 PM Post #85 |
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The bread that satisfies all hunger... the peanut that reverses time...
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I'll have a bash at this even though I couldn't care less if GW did get rid of Fail Elves.
Speculation! Pah! Internet speculation is as reliable as a stopped clock. Yeah it might be right twice a day but the rest of the time it's plain wrong.
True. No Fantasy Army really compares to Space Marines. There are at least 6 chapters with their own specific models and units that I can think of off the top of my head, all for what essentially is the same army. Yeah there are 3 elf armies already but if they get rid of Wood Elves and replace them with Cathay then there will be 3 human armies and all for the forces of order (I suspect Cathay wouldn't be Force of Destruction if it did make an army but i could be wrong).
GW could either re-write the fluff like they do all the time or make myriad new special rules to strengthen their style of play to suit this edition.
GW's attitude will be "deal with it" like it always is.
True.
See point 2. |
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| Deleted User | 29th May 2012 - 07:43 PM Post #86 |
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I think wood elves are at least popular enough that GW couldn't really get rid of them. They are not at the level that Chaos Dwarfs were when they were removed. But this debate might not even matter. There is a rumor that GW has a finished plastic treeman kit that they are wating to relese. If that is the case, then there is no way WE will be gone. |
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| Mathusala0 | 29th May 2012 - 07:47 PM Post #87 |
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the most likely rumor is that they will get merged with bretonnians. |
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| hannanibal | 29th May 2012 - 07:49 PM Post #88 |
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The bread that satisfies all hunger... the peanut that reverses time...
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@Mbh. Oh really? Nice. As much as I hate the Wood Elves (mainly because of their sculpts) I do love the dryads and some of the old treemen models. I remember on from about 20 years ago. I t was epic. Really frightening looking. Then Durthu came along and bodged everything up. Ever since the Wood Elves were redone in the late 90's they have been fail on top of fail. I loved the Chaos Dwarfs and was gutted that they disappeared but at least they re-released the Great Taurus and the Lammasu and the FW Chaos Dwarfs are lovely. It's just the price tag that is awful. That would kill 2 birds with one stone and work fluff-wise too. Edited by hannanibal, 29th May 2012 - 07:52 PM.
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| Deleted User | 29th May 2012 - 08:37 PM Post #89 |
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No This has been debunked multiple times Yup I don't mean to be too harsh bc I know lots of people like the current we range, but it's the most vile stuff gw has made in years. The plastic glade guards and riders...ugh I won't even bother mentioning the treekin or treeman. I have an all metal we army from the 80s so I do hope they get a new book some day. |
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| Nurglitch IX | 29th May 2012 - 08:43 PM Post #90 |
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No seriously, it happening, look: http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/single/?p=8093417&t=8812401
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