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| Overlord Dror | 18th April 2012 - 02:57 PM Post #31 |
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I prefer to sacrifice opponents! Just remember that Skaven often go up to 9 years between books. In my many years GW seems to make changes to make minis that are not being purchased or played much more appealing. They are in the business of selling minis. That being said, I just hope the new book will be better written so that the rules are not so confusing. |
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| Deleted User | 18th April 2012 - 03:40 PM Post #32 |
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i don't know if it hurts or helps but my point was that I can't accept that there is any real information about a skaven update. GW has been very tight with information over the last year (I heard it has something to do with the LOTR junk). If you look at the rumors for the empire book there was very little information until a few months ago and even that was half wrong. I also don't see how skaven could be any closer than three years away from a new book. Chaos Warriors sounds like the next book, with Dwars to follow (maybe) After that I would guess that Dark Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves, Demons, and Brets would be in line but who really knows. |
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| CapAmr05 | 18th April 2012 - 04:12 PM Post #33 |
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I agree that the Skaven book does not seem like a likely candidate for a new book any time soon, but then again, I didn't think empire needed a new book over Woodelves, Brettonians, Dwarves, all of whom are still working out of their books from 6th edition, published in ~2005. Why allow Empire or anyone else (save for Ogres and Tk) vault those 3 armies in the book ordering? Some of it has to do with army popularity: Empire and Orcs; while some of it has to do with an army's need for overhaul to bring it more in line with the game; VC and TK (who got their magic systems overhauled). I think it's a modest statement to say that no other army is decried for their rules as much as Skaven is, our Army Book is roughly a quarter the size of the BRB, yet has a larger FAQ; and given that issue it could be a reason why GW might vault Skaven's release over others; to get their rules more manageable for 8th edition. As Dror pointed out, Skaven typically go eons without a new book, we languished with the 6th edition book all throughout 7th edition except the last 3 months or so when we got our 7th edition book and then were promptly dropped into 8th. This is why I was skeptical when my friend said, based whatever rumor he heard, that they'd already picked who would write the new Skaven Rules. It just doesn't seem to fit the pattern that GW built in Skaven book releases. 5th edition ~1997, 6th edition ~2001, 7th edition ~2009. Given the above do I think the new book coming out before 2014 is likely? Probably not, but that assertion has just as much potential to be accurate as my prediction of the magic items we'll likely see under the new book. --Cap |
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| Sleboda | 18th April 2012 - 04:32 PM Post #34 |
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Now you are just being cruel. That would be my three favorite armies all butt-bent by the same man. Ok, ok, the Empire seems to be not bad in terms of power level, and just needs some rules clarified, but still. As to what I expect, I don't care all that much. It doesn't matter what I expect. Even when I was a playtester for them they pretty much ignored input, so anything I might expect now is meaningless. I'll tell you what they could do, though, to "fix" slaves - Just mandate that no matter what you think, no matter what your preference, you really do actually have to roll for scenario at the start of the game. Right now the need for banners gives clanrats a massive advantage over slaves. Go ahead, fill your core with slaves. Roll B&G and see how long your game lasts. |
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| CapAmr05 | 18th April 2012 - 04:55 PM Post #35 |
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Actually Sleb, you were the first person I thought of when he told me that, because I knew you despised how the TK book functions. --Cap |
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| Deleted User | 18th April 2012 - 05:07 PM Post #36 |
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You're right about the reasons popular armies will always get a new book. The other reasons I don't see skaven getting a new book is that they usually use army books to sell a bunch of new models. I don't think they really want to add any new plastic sets to the skaven line at this point. I really hope Dwarves, Brets, and Wood Elves are soon because they could use it. The current Dwarf army and model range is just so boring imo. Brets have another ancient book and the wood elves just don't feel like they fit into 8th edition rules. |
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| Sleboda | 18th April 2012 - 05:51 PM Post #37 |
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BTW, I'm thinking that the biggest reason the Empire got a new book (there are others, but this is the biggest) was warrior priests auto generation of dispel dice. TK, Ogres, and VC were out of step magically with the rest of the system and each was brought back in line. Priests made a mockery of the winds of magic roll before. EDIT: I did just think of something general I would like in a new book: Reduce the randomness. Yes, yes, I know. "Skaven are all about the random!" Sure, it can be a part of the attraction for a Skaven player, but that doesn't necessarily mean it makes for a fun game. In fact, opponents often (in my experience) end up complaining vociferously when our stuff ends up going right. They say it's too cheap or too powerful. They never remember the times when it all failed for us, but we do. It just makes for such huge swings in the game experience. It's hard to just enjoy the game knowing that the 2000pts you put on the table may perform as if it were worth 2500 or 1500. Sure, all armies have moments of great luck, but most Skaven stuff focuses on luck, which is different. There just has to be a way to keep the 'feel' of dangerous and wild Skaven stuff without it turning the game in an unbalanced affair for one player or the other. Edited by Sleboda, 18th April 2012 - 06:21 PM.
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| snowblizz | 18th April 2012 - 09:25 PM Post #38 |
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Would you mind terribly much to start Dark Elfs and Deamons? Not that I'm certain why I'd want those books "fixed". I have Both DE and Deamons and kinda like having some books to pick from where there are real nasty options. For those instances where people refuse to listen to reason and go easy on my beleaguered Beastmen list. |
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| Grey Seer Exahm | 18th April 2012 - 11:40 PM Post #39 |
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If you go by the theory that the books are being update to bring their magic in line, then Empire probably skipped the queue due to their dispel dice generation nonsense. Our Empire player was generating more than our Dwarf player most games, and that just isn't cricket. IF Warriors Of Chaos ARE next, it's probably due to the fact that they have an incomplete model range, and is actually one of the few armies that suffer from this. No Chaos Dragon, no Warshrine (which is odd, especially since it is an auto-include for a lot of people), missing special character models and such. Also probably to remove the Infernal Puppet and the Tzeentchian ward save stuff. Though the main reason is likely the model range. GW have a pretty obvious policy now of making sure all the 8th Ed Warhammer stuff is released at once (except TK, who will likely be waiting a while). After than, it's anyone's game really. Possibly Dwarfs to sort out this business with runes (we worked it out, if you equate a single rune to a single magic item, Dwarfs can basically have 9 magic items) then hopefully Daemons to bring their Unbreakable nonsense more in line with Undead type rules. Then I would expect Bretonnia or Wood Elves, assuming the keep a similar "good"/"not good" pattern like they do with 40k. They kind of have with Warhammer, but Ogres and TK are considered neutral factions and one was after the other, but it went VC then Empire and likely Chaos next, so the foundations are there. |
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| Deleted User | 18th April 2012 - 11:56 PM Post #40 |
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Please let it be dwarfs only if they update the terrible plastics. |
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| AusNick | 19th April 2012 - 12:44 AM Post #41 |
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Bretonnia and Wood Elves both really need updates IMO, all i see are the same lists from them every time i vs them, i think the the mark of a good army book or codex is the ability to have a variety good lists that play differently from each other. One of the main reasons i chose to start playing skaven is that you make so many different builds yet still have the ability to make a opposing player have a very bad day |
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| Vermitt Stain | 19th April 2012 - 09:58 PM Post #42 |
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i dont get all this cruddace hate really, i have a friend who uses tomb kings and they are very competitive in my opinion once people have played enough games and figured out how they work for them. they can have a awesome magic phase with just the addition of the casket giving them extra power dice access to a couple of good lores and their own lore is pretty good as well. when you plonk princes in their units they suddenly become competitive fighting blocks, there are some ok monsters and a fairly good shooting phase. the only dissipointing thing in my opinion are ubershabti. the empire book i also feel is quite good and balanced as when you look at it its shooting phase is still effective but no longer horrible to play, infantry may have gone up in points but when you take into the account that now you have characters improving them and buff wagons they work out roughly the right points as i dont not think that you actually pay for the full points for the buffs on the models granting them. Flaggies may have gone up in points but they a now WS3 which is a massive difference and they are now a bit more random and lost their unit size cap. i actually think that these two book are some of the best and well written books to have been released recently as their are no auto-win units and they actually reward tactically play through the synergy or units and characters. in these army book balance does rule the day with nearly all units being worth considering with extreme lists often being the ones that don't work, its just that people have been used to the idea that units have to be judged on there own not how they fit in with the rest of the army stained |
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| Draconder | 22nd April 2012 - 05:05 PM Post #43 |
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I know this is selfish but having just started collecting skaven and spending so much money already I hope skaven don't get new models for a while. I would hate to have to replace all those clanrats and slaves. I feel the skaven models are still very good compared to others out there.
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| Razuli | 22nd April 2012 - 05:39 PM Post #44 |
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I don't think they will be replacing the CRs/Slaves or any of the new kits anytime soon. The problem is with some of the really old models like night runners/night runners who don't really fit in with the current model range. |
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| RedPlague | 24th April 2012 - 09:06 AM Post #45 |
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I would like to see the weapons teams get a couple of wounds instead of the 1 they have at the moment. Nothing too greedy, Night runners need some tweaking either in stats or points as I don't know anyone who takes them at the moment. I second, third and fourth a lord level plague priest!!
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