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| hannanibal | 29th February 2012 - 09:11 AM Post #1 |
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Is there any restriction on warriors fighting with 2 hand weapons ( 2 swrords, sword and dagger etc.) and using a shield, buckler in close combat? I can't seem to find any restriction but it seems odd for there not to be a restriction. |
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| Kimzi | 29th February 2012 - 09:17 AM Post #2 |
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Well I always figured you only have two hands, but you can carry extra stuff. So if you haver an extra dagger tucked away somewhere, or a shield on your back that's fine and you can use it, but you will have to choose which you will use before the combat starts. |
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| hannanibal | 29th February 2012 - 09:23 AM Post #3 |
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Now that's what I thought but the rules don't say you have to choose which to use either. There is no restriction in writing (unlike the warhammer rulebook). Also, In the rule for "tail fighting" it says a skaven can hold a shield in it's tail. does that mean he can hold one in his hand as well and get a 5+ armour save for having 2 shields. I can't see anything that says he can't but a specific rule saying he can get "a +1 bonus to it's armour save". |
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| izmerul | 29th February 2012 - 10:43 AM Post #4 |
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would you do it just because you can? sorry for the useless reply but i have no idea ^^ |
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| Kimzi | 29th February 2012 - 11:58 AM Post #5 |
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Lol, a tail shield doesn't sound very effective. A tail stabby weapon could be cool though. I never even thought about using their tails in battle. I don't know if or where it says anything about the restrictions either. We always play it so it makes a sort of sense, but I guess it's all up to you and the people you play with. |
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| hannanibal | 29th February 2012 - 01:52 PM Post #6 |
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The "tail fighting" is a skaven special skill upgrade. It specifically says the warrior can use a shield or weapon in the tail and gain an extra attack with that weapon OR get a +1 armour save. Now I take that to mean he could use 2 shields. Ambiguous rules annoy me. Also, I imagine you could have a buckler strapped to your arm and hold a weapon in that arm too but not hold a shield and a second weapon in the same hand. Is that cheesy? |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 29th February 2012 - 02:04 PM Post #7 |
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Do mind that the Mordheim rulebook is about a decade or so older then the (current) Warhammer rulebook. So, yeah, perhaps things aren't as clearly worded as they do nowadays, but then again, there luckily is a bit of a page difference between the two as well. ![]() Regarding the two handweapons issue (and I will look it up for verification), I generally employ the rule of thumb that two hands/ paws/ whatever mean two weapons can be brought along. Whether that is a pistol and a handweapon, or a shield and a handweapon, is up to the player itself. More items IN battle generally mean a bit of confusion as to what that creature is using in a fight. Greetz |
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| hannanibal | 29th February 2012 - 02:12 PM Post #8 |
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So would you say a model couldn't (or shouldn't) have a sling and two hand weapons? I mean gutter runners in warhammer carry 2 hand weapons and a sling ( I know this is a different game but it's the same universe). Also what do you think about the wording in the "tail fighting" skill regarding shields? |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 1st March 2012 - 08:58 AM Post #9 |
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Still have to check the rulebook on the matter, as I had to get from work back home again, make a quick meal and be off to Blood Bowl league night (to get my team a bit torn apart by bleepin' Necromantic). My standard kit for a Night Runner when starting with clan Eshin is a dagger, club and sling. As shooting and combat are two seperate phases, I would allow someone to use two (one-handed, obviously) handweapons and a ranged weapon. As with my previous comment on the matter, I will have to look up what the rulebook actually says or doesn't say on the matter. On the matter of a shield for tail fighting, I believe it would be allowed, but will check it later. Whether it's really a smart option is another matter. Armour in Mordheim is rather pathetic (a few proper skill-ups will negate it), aside from ridiculously overpriced compared to the range of weapons you can choose from. Greetz |
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| hannanibal | 1st March 2012 - 11:10 AM Post #10 |
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Thanks man. I agree the twin shields is a crap idea game-wise but I just wondered if it was allowed as it seemed odd. I am one of these people who will think of some outlandish situation, not covered by the rules and the bring it up. Can I ask you another question regarding ranged weapons and CC weapons after you have checked the rule book? |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 3rd March 2012 - 09:25 AM Post #11 |
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Having read through the specific sections on combat and weapon rules, I think this is indeed a matter of RAW versus RAI. It indeed doesn't say in the rulebook that you can not use two handweapons AND a buckler at the same time. However, on page 19 under the section Fighting with Two Weapons the mention is made that only two weapons can be used at any given time during combat (i.e. using two hands). A shield or buckler in this case would fill the role of 'weapon', although being used for defense, rather then offense. A specification of this matter is the Unwieldy rule for a spear, which is a one-handed weapon and states that only a shield or buckler may be used in the other hand. My interpretation of that is either using two one-handed weapons, a one-handed weapon and shield/ buckler, or a two-handed weapon are the options for any fighter. Greetz |
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| hannanibal | 3rd March 2012 - 09:27 AM Post #12 |
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That's what I went with. Using 2 weapons and a buckler seemed wrong. I had my first 2 games last night. Was so epic. I'm hooked on Mordheim dude. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 3rd March 2012 - 09:29 AM Post #13 |
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I'm looking forward to the battle reports then. What was the other question you were looking for? Greetz |
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| hannanibal | 3rd March 2012 - 09:48 AM Post #14 |
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I was gonna do a battle report but I didn't think anyone would be interested! The short version is I won one game and got lashed in the second. I'll do one for next week though. My girlfriend took some photos mid-game ( I think she likes how they look on the table more than anything) but the only problem is the giant, Chaos wallpaper of flowery death. Need to sort that out before we take any more pix. My question was if a guy has 2 pistols and say 2 swords and he uses the 2 pistols in the first round of combat can he whip his 2 swords out in the next round after the pistols have been used and gain the sword bonuses? ![]() The Chaotic, flowery skies of Mordheim!!! Edited by hannanibal, 3rd March 2012 - 09:49 AM.
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 3rd March 2012 - 10:24 AM Post #15 |
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You know how ridiculously expensive that character would become with such an outfit, right? ![]() Pistols (or ranged weapons in general) are a bit of a tricky one, as they can be used both in the shooting phase and in hand-to-hand combat. The rules are a bit odd in this manner, as there is no specific statement in the book as to how to deal with melee and ranged weaponry in combat. As strange as it feels to me, I would have to say yes, though, to that question. Basically, all you get out of it is a one-round double S4 attack (that can be parried), after which you continue with double S3 attacks (assuming we're talking about a general character, not ones with S4 to begin with, cause in that case those brace would be a waste). Greetz |
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