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Starting Daemons in Fantasy; Good resources for starting
Topic Started: 22nd February 2012 - 04:36 AM (597 Views)
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Are there any good resources for getting started with Daemons? What units would you recommend? I already have several bloodletters and a few daemonettes.
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Hey dude. I sorta started a daemons army too.
I made a 2000+ point force (mostly unpainted) using a daemon prince, the daemons battalion, an extra box of horrors and daemonettes and a box of chaos warhounds to be painted as flesh hounds. The models come to just over $130 and there are about 70 models. I'm using one of the horrors as a Herald (just choosing the largest model in the box, giving him an icon and a very unique paintjob).

I doubt my list is too strong but meh.
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Would recommend some Fiends of Slaanesh. They are one of the best Daemon choices by far. Bloodcrushers are also pretty good.

I am a hater for Daemons because their book is ridiculous so I can't really say much about you using a Greater Daemon or more small Daemons. I would probably just use a Lord of Change, because it's my favorite concept and is very good in certain Daemon armies.
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@ Scarr. I agree the book is stupid. It's been written by a bi-polar puppy. Nothing makes sense. Points don't match units and some things seem unbelievabley game wrecking such as the greater daemon of nurgle ( I forget his name) who throws poison nurglings like a stone thrower, uses the large template and each hit wounds on a 2+! ( I think that's right.....maybe I dreamt it) whereas the flightless Bloodthirster special character isn't worth half his points. Before a potential barrage of opposition I'll just say I haven't played a proper game with them this is just my impression from reading the book a couple of times.
It's my least favourite book at the minute but I love the daemon miniatures (exceptions include plagubearers, fiends, beasts, screamers and flamers).
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Yes. Many of the Daemon miniatures are very nice but they are a trainwreck to rank. Bloodletters are just blurting their stupid arms out everywhere and Horrors are just crazy on their bases.
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The horrors are an absolute nightmare to rank. Even sticking them to the base after assembly and alongside his chums (usually the undisputed best way to rank troublesome mini's) makes ranking near impossible. I've not tried the bloodletters yet but I'm dreading them even more now. They were probably made with 40k in mind and not poor Fantasy.
Just out of interest what don't you like about the daemons book? Apart from all of it?
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Just change the positioning? I think some people neglect to realize we spend so much time painting it is important to make sure they rank up as well.
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22nd February 2012 - 09:20 AM
Just out of interest what don't you like about the daemons book? Apart from all of it?
I don't like that they have unfair advantages that make winning in a pinch near impossible. They should have normal Instability instead of their stupid one that is far to powerful because they actually are very good in combat. I also don't like that they tend to pass their 5+ Saves more than they should. Their banner that reduces LD is also strangely good.

There are a few strategies that I find actually fun and original but still pretty powerful but no one seems to go easy when they play Daemons and just go for the same things all the time. That's also a dumb thing. Several armies including: Lizardmen, Warriors of Chaos, Daemons and Empire all go for the same strategies even when they know that a "weaker" army from their book is on par with other books. Skaven, Ogre Kingdoms, Orcs and Goblins and several others are books that can be played with different styles and you don't need to avoid one thing like a curse by any chance. That's why I like Skaven. We have a answer to everything, and nothing really can say game over in our face very fast.
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I can summarize Win At All Costs !
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22nd February 2012 - 10:09 AM
I can summarize Win At All Costs !
The strange thing is that no one in my gaming environment plays WAAC. They say it hasn't "hit" the place yet. I am not completely sure about that, but still some people at our club plays very originally but still owns everybody else. (Example the Bretonnia and Tomb Kings player who beats pretty much every list out there)
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22nd February 2012 - 10:13 AM
(Example the Bretonnia and Tomb Kings player who beats pretty much every list out there)
I can explain this.
Average Jo joints a website dedicated to a army.
Goes hey guys I want a strong list.
EVERYONE then uses this list.

This Meta gaming rubbish leads to lists that people didn't write so don't know how to use properly.
Too many people are like this and thus do not know how to write there own list.
I imagine people with successful TK lists figured it out themselves and don't see the point in joining a forum where people will just leech of the ideas they have.

I actually tried to give a TK player advise but he wasn't interested he is just a tool who would rather moan about things than try and change his "tactics"
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Good point Dan. It's also kinda defeating the object of the game if someone wrote your list for you and tells you how to play with it. It would take some of the glory out of any victories at least.
Pointers in the right direction are fine but there's a difference between tactically sound advice and playing someones games for them.


It reminds me of people who buy a video game and buy the walkthrough book as well. Then they spend all game following the walkthrough and not enjoying or learning anything from the game.
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22nd February 2012 - 10:21 AM
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(Example the Bretonnia and Tomb Kings player who beats pretty much every list out there)
I can explain this.
Average Jo joints a website dedicated to a army.
Goes hey guys I want a strong list.
EVERYONE then uses this list.

This Meta gaming rubbish leads to lists that people didn't write so don't know how to use properly.
Too many people are like this and thus do not know how to write there own list.
I imagine people with successful TK lists figured it out themselves and don't see the point in joining a forum where people will just leech of the ideas they have.

I actually tried to give a TK player advise but he wasn't interested he is just a tool who would rather moan about things than try and change his "tactics"
To be fair, Bretonnia only has a few units and several are blatantly useless (battle pilgrims) or not as good as the alternatives (questing knights vs knights of the realm), and without looking it up, Brets would be a nearly impossible army to run unless you're a masochist. They have a reputation for being one of the worst hit armies in 8th Ed. for a reason.

There are only so many ways you can mix up Brets worthwhile units. On the plus side all the Bret core is viable I guess, peasant are arguable. But IMO, the only special unit worth taking is Pegasus knights and in rare, grail knights, while good are too expensive compared to trebuchets to make me put my points into them instead of a Str5 stone thrower.

I agree that people going onto forums and finding optimized lists are a bit dull, but lets be honest, we don't exactly discourage it on here, do we?
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22nd February 2012 - 12:42 PM
I agree that people going onto forums and finding optimized lists are a bit dull, but lets be honest, we don't exactly discourage it on here, do we?
We don't push it Either.

I don't respond well to the give us a list posts.

If they can't be arsed to read the book then how much love for skaven can they truly have and this is the wrong place for them :P

Math does his best to give "unit" by unit advise. We don't go it's crap where are your 36 gutter runners and 2 abombs?

In fact I hate abombs and I mean hate but I guess that is what makes me unique :P
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Incoming off-topicness---- @ Dan
I love the abomination dude. I have to. It took me so long to paint mine I HAVE to use it (even though it lets me down as much as it ruins the enemy but
unpredictability is one of the main reasons I live our lil' ratmen).
Mind you, I'm the first to admit I'm not very competitive when it comes to the warhammer game. I'm too crap to be bothered.

Back on topic-- OP, keep me posted with your progress please!
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