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2400 pts Castle List; What do you think?
Topic Started: 21st February 2012 - 04:52 PM (263 Views)
Matt Seer
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Hey guys,

I see this army as a good castle setup against any enemy, only one i worry about it chaos , suppose nothing wither and plague cant handle just hope it doesnt kill half my own army again! : )

your feedback would be great.



Core: 967
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields / Slings 122
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200
40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395
2 x rat darts 46

Special: 168
6 x gutter Runners 108
3 x Jezzails 60 *Questionable i know, just the mortars seem to be a waste at times plus i bought 3 of these*

Heros: 205
Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90
Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45
Cheiftain / BSB 70

Lord: 465
Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465

Rare: 590
Hellpit / Spikes 250
Doomwheel 150
Plague catapult 100
Warplighting cannon 90

Total 2395
Edited by Matt Seer, 21st February 2012 - 05:00 PM.
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Core: 967
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields / Slings 122

why slings? drop them, the slaves have such poor hit ratio its not funny

40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102

fine

40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200

good

40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395
2 x rat darts 46

Special: 168
6 x gutter Runners 108
3 x Jezzails 60 *Questionable i know, just the mortars seem to be a waste at times plus i bought 3 of these*

gutter runners have poison and slings presumably.

and so long as you know the jezzails


Heros: 205
Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90
Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45
Cheiftain / BSB 70

chieftain could use a shield

Lord: 465
Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465

Rare: 590
Hellpit / Spikes 250
Doomwheel 150
Plague catapult 100
Warplighting cannon 90

drop the catapult, pick up a second cannon

Total 2395
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Matt Seer
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22nd February 2012 - 08:31 AM
Core: 967
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields / Slings 122

why slings? drop them, the slaves have such poor hit ratio its not funny

40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102

fine

40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200

good

40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395
2 x rat darts 46

Special: 168
6 x gutter Runners 108
3 x Jezzails 60 *Questionable i know, just the mortars seem to be a waste at times plus i bought 3 of these*

gutter runners have poison and slings presumably.

and so long as you know the jezzails


Heros: 205
Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90
Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45
Cheiftain / BSB 70

chieftain could use a shield

Lord: 465
Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465

Rare: 590
Hellpit / Spikes 250
Doomwheel 150
Plague catapult 100
Warplighting cannon 90

drop the catapult, pick up a second cannon

Total 2395
Morning,

- The slings are for the front slave unit in horde formation , in front of the bell & clan rat unit . Horde formation would give be 40 attacks? surely that will hit something? or still complete waste time?

- Gutter runners have poison and slings

- Why would you drop the catapult? surely this would be good on big units?

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There are several units the Catapult can be good against but the Cannon is usually seen on as the best option.

Personally I think you can use the Catapult. If it's in a tournament I would however go for the second Cannon (if it isn't restricted there).

And Math is often intuitive. Don't always listen to him (no offence). Try out your stuff now and see for yourself what you want to use. ;)
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22nd February 2012 - 10:10 AM
There are several units the Catapult can be good against but the Cannon is usually seen on as the best option.

Personally I think you can use the Catapult. If it's in a tournament I would however go for the second Cannon (if it isn't restricted there).

And Math is often intuitive. Don't always listen to him (no offence). Try out your stuff now and see for yourself what you want to use. ;)
Thanks for that : )

I always go for 8" away with the cannon to allow the bounce.

will try with one of each then both an see whats best.

with 40 slings , surely that will be hitting on 5 on most troops?
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The thing with Slings is that you have Multiple Shots, this means that with even with 40 attacks your going to be hitting on 6's already. Then you must factor in moving and long range penalties. I think it can work if you use Bless with Filth on them, but you must count on 20 shots most of the time then because Poison doesn't work when you need 7's.
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Might drop the slings :D

Would my list be good against Chaos? as the big units of 40 heavy armour warriors and the horse men with the 2 up save!
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If he uses a 40 man Warrior unit you could just weaken him, block him down with Slaves, then shoot him some more!

Really your 13th spell can eat his face easily and the Catapult will be great against Marauders but not really the best thing ever because they have 25mm bases. Using it on Knights might work too.

I say that Skaven probably should not have a very hard time with Chaos, but you need to play right.
Edited by Scarr, Reincarnated, 22nd February 2012 - 02:32 PM.
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I always get ripped up by the horsemen! rages me : D i make 7 successful hits, ow wait 2 + save, no hits, his turn, 10 die, loose combat, fail leadership , they run.... seems to be the same story the last four times ive played chaos.

If the slaves are in combat with the big units or horsemen, i cant fire at the unit as they are in combat? only magic , surely?
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you can fire anything you want into combat with slaves. shooting and magic both.

dealing with chaos knights really requires a great deal of focus fire and sometimes just a lot of redirecting. the thing is depending on how many knight he deploys in a unit (10+) you may want to consider just redirecting them out of your way indefinitely. Its one of the strengths of castle list.

as for slings, that's 20 shots on 5+ only if the slaves don't move, the enemy doesn't have units in cover, they don't double tap, the unit isn't getting charged. so on and so forth. all for a few str 3 hits. not normally worth that investment in points.


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fully agree, just giving my opinion
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Questions:

Core: 947
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102
40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200
40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395
2 x rat darts 46

Special: 168
6 x gutter Runners / Poisoned / Slings 108
3 x Jezzails 60

Heros: 207
Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90
Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45
Cheiftain / BSB / Shield 72

Lord: 465
Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465

Rare: 590
Hellpit / Spikes 250
Doomwheel 150
Plague catapult 100
Warplighting cannon 90


Leaves me with 18 points, extra gutter runner? or drop one lot of slaves? add 4 more gutter runners and another rat dart? could use the 40 stormverman in a horde formation infront of the bell, or would that just be a waste, below is what i was thinking setup wise with the above list.

Far left (Cannon or catapult)

Left flank (Doomwheel or Hellpit) (Stormvermin 4 x 10 with 2 rat darts infront) (Slaves 5 x 8)

Middle (Clan rats & bell with slaves infront 4 x 10) or stormvermin?

Right flank (Doomwheel or Hellpit) (Slaves 5 x 8)

Far right (Cannon or catapult)


Edited by Matt Seer, 23rd February 2012 - 12:32 PM.
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