| 2400 pts Castle List; What do you think? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 21st February 2012 - 04:52 PM (263 Views) | |
| Matt Seer | 21st February 2012 - 04:52 PM Post #1 |
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Hey guys, I see this army as a good castle setup against any enemy, only one i worry about it chaos , suppose nothing wither and plague cant handle just hope it doesnt kill half my own army again! : ) your feedback would be great. Core: 967 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields / Slings 122 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200 40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395 2 x rat darts 46 Special: 168 6 x gutter Runners 108 3 x Jezzails 60 *Questionable i know, just the mortars seem to be a waste at times plus i bought 3 of these* Heros: 205 Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90 Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45 Cheiftain / BSB 70 Lord: 465 Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465 Rare: 590 Hellpit / Spikes 250 Doomwheel 150 Plague catapult 100 Warplighting cannon 90 Total 2395 Edited by Matt Seer, 21st February 2012 - 05:00 PM.
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| Mathusala0 | 22nd February 2012 - 08:31 AM Post #2 |
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The Evil Underlord
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Core: 967 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields / Slings 122 why slings? drop them, the slaves have such poor hit ratio its not funny 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 fine 40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200 good 40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395 2 x rat darts 46 Special: 168 6 x gutter Runners 108 3 x Jezzails 60 *Questionable i know, just the mortars seem to be a waste at times plus i bought 3 of these* gutter runners have poison and slings presumably. and so long as you know the jezzails Heros: 205 Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90 Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45 Cheiftain / BSB 70 chieftain could use a shield Lord: 465 Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465 Rare: 590 Hellpit / Spikes 250 Doomwheel 150 Plague catapult 100 Warplighting cannon 90 drop the catapult, pick up a second cannon Total 2395 |
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| Matt Seer | 22nd February 2012 - 09:59 AM Post #3 |
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Clanrat
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Morning, - The slings are for the front slave unit in horde formation , in front of the bell & clan rat unit . Horde formation would give be 40 attacks? surely that will hit something? or still complete waste time? - Gutter runners have poison and slings - Why would you drop the catapult? surely this would be good on big units? Cheers |
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| Scarr, Reincarnated | 22nd February 2012 - 10:10 AM Post #4 |
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11th creator of the Skaven Achievements. Binder of IceAc.
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There are several units the Catapult can be good against but the Cannon is usually seen on as the best option. Personally I think you can use the Catapult. If it's in a tournament I would however go for the second Cannon (if it isn't restricted there). And Math is often intuitive. Don't always listen to him (no offence). Try out your stuff now and see for yourself what you want to use.
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| Matt Seer | 22nd February 2012 - 12:44 PM Post #5 |
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Clanrat
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Thanks for that : ) I always go for 8" away with the cannon to allow the bounce. will try with one of each then both an see whats best. with 40 slings , surely that will be hitting on 5 on most troops? |
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| Scarr, Reincarnated | 22nd February 2012 - 01:10 PM Post #6 |
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11th creator of the Skaven Achievements. Binder of IceAc.
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The thing with Slings is that you have Multiple Shots, this means that with even with 40 attacks your going to be hitting on 6's already. Then you must factor in moving and long range penalties. I think it can work if you use Bless with Filth on them, but you must count on 20 shots most of the time then because Poison doesn't work when you need 7's. |
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| Matt Seer | 22nd February 2012 - 02:13 PM Post #7 |
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Clanrat
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Might drop the slings Would my list be good against Chaos? as the big units of 40 heavy armour warriors and the horse men with the 2 up save! |
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| Scarr, Reincarnated | 22nd February 2012 - 02:29 PM Post #8 |
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11th creator of the Skaven Achievements. Binder of IceAc.
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If he uses a 40 man Warrior unit you could just weaken him, block him down with Slaves, then shoot him some more! Really your 13th spell can eat his face easily and the Catapult will be great against Marauders but not really the best thing ever because they have 25mm bases. Using it on Knights might work too. I say that Skaven probably should not have a very hard time with Chaos, but you need to play right. Edited by Scarr, Reincarnated, 22nd February 2012 - 02:32 PM.
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| Matt Seer | 22nd February 2012 - 04:19 PM Post #9 |
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Clanrat
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I always get ripped up by the horsemen! rages me : D i make 7 successful hits, ow wait 2 + save, no hits, his turn, 10 die, loose combat, fail leadership , they run.... seems to be the same story the last four times ive played chaos. If the slaves are in combat with the big units or horsemen, i cant fire at the unit as they are in combat? only magic , surely? |
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| Mathusala0 | 22nd February 2012 - 05:44 PM Post #10 |
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you can fire anything you want into combat with slaves. shooting and magic both. dealing with chaos knights really requires a great deal of focus fire and sometimes just a lot of redirecting. the thing is depending on how many knight he deploys in a unit (10+) you may want to consider just redirecting them out of your way indefinitely. Its one of the strengths of castle list. as for slings, that's 20 shots on 5+ only if the slaves don't move, the enemy doesn't have units in cover, they don't double tap, the unit isn't getting charged. so on and so forth. all for a few str 3 hits. not normally worth that investment in points.
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fully agree, just giving my opinion |
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| Matt Seer | 23rd February 2012 - 12:31 PM Post #11 |
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Clanrat
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Questions: Core: 947 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 40x Slaves - Musician / Shields 102 40x Clanrats / Full / shields 200 40x Stormvermin / Full / Empire banner / Mortar 395 2 x rat darts 46 Special: 168 6 x gutter Runners / Poisoned / Slings 108 3 x Jezzails 60 Heros: 207 Warlock engieer Level 1 / Dispell Scroll 90 Warlock engieer / Doom rocket 45 Cheiftain / BSB / Shield 72 Lord: 465 Grey Seer / Bell / Earth rod 465 Rare: 590 Hellpit / Spikes 250 Doomwheel 150 Plague catapult 100 Warplighting cannon 90 Leaves me with 18 points, extra gutter runner? or drop one lot of slaves? add 4 more gutter runners and another rat dart? could use the 40 stormverman in a horde formation infront of the bell, or would that just be a waste, below is what i was thinking setup wise with the above list. Far left (Cannon or catapult) Left flank (Doomwheel or Hellpit) (Stormvermin 4 x 10 with 2 rat darts infront) (Slaves 5 x 8) Middle (Clan rats & bell with slaves infront 4 x 10) or stormvermin? Right flank (Doomwheel or Hellpit) (Slaves 5 x 8) Far right (Cannon or catapult) Edited by Matt Seer, 23rd February 2012 - 12:32 PM.
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