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LOTR Models in Warhammer Fantasy
Topic Started: 1st February 2012 - 03:23 PM (5,682 Views)
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are Lotr models the same scale as Warhammer Fantasy (20mm base) and could you use them in for fantasy? For instance, the Lotr trolls are much better in my opinion, than the fantasy. Granted Tolkien never invisioned skaven, a great oversight on his part, But, some of their undead models would work great too. I would probably use their Elven models too, if I started a HE army. Any thoughts?

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Scale is based on height, not base. WHFB is 28mm, LotR is 25mm. Which makes LotR minis much more slender in comparison an a bit shorter. All in all LotR is more "realistically" proportioned.

For things such as Trolls it would not be noticeable. Depends on what Undead you are thinking about. If you only use LotR figures for an army you can make it work but it will look slightly off scale compared to the rest. If you try and mix ¨WHFB and LotR it won't fit very well.

There's also some "problems" with playing LotR armies in WHFB in official GW situations.
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This came up the other day when the Dweller Bellow (or what ever) mini was teased, and it was pointed out that with a little modification it could make an awesome Vermin Lord.

GW doesn't own LOTR, they 'rent' it, and they aren't doing so directly, more like sub-letting it. Part of the agreement for use is that they don't mix IPs. Also, it weakens thier IP if they do so. This is why the scale is a little different, and the bases are round rather than square.

So bottom line, its your hobby, do what you want to do, but you will not be allowed to particiapte in offical GW events ( or apparently play in thier stores) if you're using LOTR in your army.
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1st February 2012 - 03:31 PM
Scale is based on height, not base. WHFB is 28mm, LotR is 25mm. Which makes LotR minis much more slender in comparison an a bit shorter. All in all LotR is more "realistically" proportioned.

For things such as Trolls it would not be noticeable. Depends on what Undead you are thinking about. If you only use LotR figures for an army you can make it work but it will look slightly off scale compared to the rest. If you try and mix ¨WHFB and LotR it won't fit very well.

There's also some "problems" with playing LotR armies in WHFB in official GW situations.
I'll have to agree with you, but there are some exceptions.
When I finally manage to paint them (God do I have stuff to do! :blush: a lot of stuff! :wacko: ) I'd show you how LotR goblins of Moria and Mantic Orcs combine perfectly! :bow: When I manage to paint them (own >200 goblins and >300 Orcs) and field them in a proper diorama, that' d be a swell combination! B)

But got to finish Skaven first... so not for 2012, that's for sure! :D
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1st February 2012 - 03:31 PM
If you try and mix ¨WHFB and LotR it won't fit very well.

I I'd show you how LotR goblins of Moria and Mantic Orcs combine perfectly!
So your argument that Warhammer Fantasy Battle models fits with Lord of the Rings models are that they work with MANTIC Orcs? Mind boggles...
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Seriously though. Other manufacturer, other proportions. The Mantic stuff is much closer to LotR than GW's fantasy stuff.
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1st February 2012 - 05:04 PM
This is why the scale is a little different, and the bases are round rather than square.
Yeah.. or that is because it's a skirmish game. ;)

On the original question, Elves won't match. If I don't forget (very well might, mind you) I'll take a picture of some LotR Elves next to WHFB ones in a few days.
Undead.. I take it you mean Army of the Dead or so? While still differently proportioned, those are a bit bigger I think. Don't have the plastics, but got a couple of the metal ones and I'll see if I can compare those to some WHFB models too. Apart from the difference in style, Troll should probably do fine.
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For some reason the Army of the Dead for LOTR are MUCH bigger than the normal LOTR man-sized miniatures. Actually, they are slightly taller and a lot bulkier than an Empire soldier but their weapons are still "in-scale" and are quite thin and slender.
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Some will look too small, some will fit. The ringwraiths fit IMNSHO.

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If you try and mix ¨WHFB and LotR it won't fit very well.

I I'd show you how LotR goblins of Moria and Mantic Orcs combine perfectly!
So your argument that Warhammer Fantasy Battle models fits with Lord of the Rings models are that they work with MANTIC Orcs? Mind boggles...
:KA-BOOM:

Seriously though. Other manufacturer, other proportions. The Mantic stuff is much closer to LotR than GW's fantasy stuff.
As you said, Warhammer Fantasy Battle models. If he was referring to Games Workshop Fantasy Battle models, then I totally agree with you. But I read him to the letter B)

It is hard to do because each company tries not to copy too much :blush: the competition, but maintain a characteristic of its' own. On the other hand, it should be similar enough to play the most common game among gamers. That is, Games Workshop playthings...

Mark my words, within 10 years, a lot of new companies/ firms will arise and demand a piece of the cake... :ph43r: The following companies have all ready produced (or are in the making) of regiments and no longer single models.
Avatars of War (Dwarfs, WoC, Empire not confirmed yet) Fireforge Games (Brettonians), Bane Legions (Beastmen ), Mantic (Dwarfs, Vampires, Orcs, HEs)... feel free to add what I'm forgetting. :rolleyes:

Bottom line, if someone brings to the table an entire new (modellistic speaking) army, I'll be more than glad to play against him, as long as it is not a complete proximation (and preferably painted)... :D
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Well, that took a bit longer than expected, but anyway:

Elves

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From left to right: LotR metal Elf spearmen / plastic Elf archer / WHFB HE Swordmaster champion / LotR plastic Galadhrim archer / metal Galadhrim warrior
Those on the left are old models, rather small compared to those on the right. Very noticable 'scale-creep'. Galadhrim could be used as HE I think, or at least much better than the others.

Undead

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FLTR: WHFB Necrarch Vampire / LotR metal Army of the Dead / WHFB plastic Skeleton Warrior (new)
Should be alright.

Trolls (don't have any WHFB trolls, but this comparison will do I hope)

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WHFB BfSP plastic Night Goblin / LotR metal Cave Troll / WHFB IoB Skaven Rat Orgre / LotR plastic Mordor Troll
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I use Army of the Dead minis for VC spirit hosts and they don't look out of place at all. I just bought a box of Morgul Knights to convert into Blood Knights as well. Granted, I use quite a few units of Mantic minis as well, so the difference in scale is even less noticeable. Plus, there are no GW stores around so I don't have to worry about their policy about not playing in their stores with competitor minis.

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