| Hexwraiths more broken than I first thought; Am I right? | ||
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| SkavenDan | 21st January 2012 - 11:18 AM Post #16 | |
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Yeah they will with only a parry to fall back on and hitting on 3s wounding on 2s. It's a hard life for a slave. Still it will take like 6 rounds to get them to kill 40 | |
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| snowblizz | 21st January 2012 - 01:55 PM Post #17 | |
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XWraiths say(paraphrasing): when they move *in the remaining movement phase* they do eeevil stuff. Van Hels say they make a move like they would in the remaining moves phase. When magically moving XWraiths you are not moving them in the remaining moves phase but in the magic phase. That it is done the same way is immaterial in this case. It's not IF XWraiths move, but WHEN they move which triggers the effect. There's difference for those who are sticklers for the rules. |
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| Sleboda | 21st January 2012 - 03:15 PM Post #18 | |
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Yeah, I can see what you are saying, snowblizz, but to me that's too fine a distinction to say that when you do something in the same way as you do at another time, you can't do the things you do at that other time because it's not actually that other time. If something tells me to treat X as if it is Y, I simply operate under within the parameters of Y. GW has this sort of approach to writing rules in a number of places, and I cannot remember the last time we had an FAQ response that said you don't get to do everything as if it were that other time. |
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| snowblizz | 21st January 2012 - 03:47 PM Post #19 | |
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I was told by a Skaven player that even though the WLC "shoots like a cannon" it doesn't actually have to obey any of the cannon rules in the BRB, The question was whether the shot will stop and destroy an obstacle. This is only relevant in so far that it seems to vary from person to person when "X works like Y" actually means that or not. I seem to recall you favouring a literal approach to reading the rules. There is literally a strict difference in how it is worded. For your interpretation the XWraiths should say something along the lines of "when moving they do X", and not as they do now "when moving in this phase they do X". The reason for the second wording? So they can't "hit" a unit while charging eg. Similarly to the Lizardmen Terradons I think who can drop rocks in the remaining move phase, yet still got this FAQ:
Doesn't really matter to me either way. I'm just relating how the discussion went in other places. Since this was a sky-is-falling-down post I thought I'd point out that does not seem how it works. |
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| SkavenDan | 21st January 2012 - 04:32 PM Post #20 | |
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That is because it is some thing done in place of charging if they did it as well Xwraiths would be bent and terradons would be a real nightmare. | |
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| Stalarious | 21st January 2012 - 05:01 PM Post #21 | |
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Thats fine I am looking for all responses anyways because being a newish player I am looking to see if I am grasping the rules right I may have to read BRB and then re-read the spell and ability. Or wait for the FAQ to come out, But to me it doesnt really make since that in the spell the specifically state that they move like in the remaining movement phase then not be able to use the xwraith ability but if that is how it ends up being then it sucks because it would be a cool trick to pull off once and watch your opponents face because after that they would dispel it every time I tried it. | |
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| Rein bringer of the cheese | 21st January 2012 - 07:12 PM Post #22 | |
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I think they say it moves like remaining moves because you cant charge with them. All compulsary is irrelevant being Undead (unbreakable). Hexwraiths will inflict on average: Number of hex wraiths * 1/3 * 5/6 + horses in front rank * 1/2 * 1/2 = So when fighting 5 of them they will on average do: 25/18 + 5/4 = 2 + 1/4 + 7/18 = 2 + 1/4 + 1/3 = 2 7/12 = 2.5 ![]() So if you charge them you will most of the time win with 0.5 (well first round 1.5) A WE with warplock pistol does about 1/2 wound per round so IF you got the charge and the dice are not against you. You will win the combat with slaves and a WE with pistol. With only slaves it's a draw so depends on the dice who wins. |
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| Sleboda | 21st January 2012 - 08:56 PM Post #23 | |
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Yeah, but even I have my limits, believe it or not. If you are that literal about it, then no undead unit can move at all from Dance since it is only actually in the Remaining Moves phase that models move (without charging, fleeting, etc), not when you treat it as if it were the RM phase. So, if we are to say move "as if" it's the RM phase, but since it is not _really_ the RM phase, then Dance cannot be used to move at all. Edited by Sleboda, 21st January 2012 - 08:59 PM.
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| Yobtar | 21st January 2012 - 09:15 PM Post #24 | |
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Hell ya! Sounds good to me!!! Vetock write this book too? Seems like it.... |
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| Mathusala0 | 21st January 2012 - 09:47 PM Post #25 | |
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dont know who wrote it, but after finally getting my hands on it I agree that vaning a unit over an enemy unit can cause this effect. (its for all purposes a normal move) however, as they don't fly, it might be difficult without a nearby vampire to pull this trick off. plus once your on the other side you have to spend a whole turn to turn around to do it again. I really think hex wraiths are too expensive to be using this ability that much, more likely we will see them used as monster hunters (can anyone say dead hydras and hellpits?) and as warmachine/skirmisher hunters. with a few side touches of "stalling units that have little combat ress and no magic weapons." |
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| Mahtobedis | 21st January 2012 - 10:32 PM Post #26 | |
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My doomwheel looks forward to facing them. | |
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| Rein bringer of the cheese | 22nd January 2012 - 05:38 PM Post #27 | |
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Nice
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| Stalarious | 23rd January 2012 - 03:14 PM Post #28 | |
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@ Math You forget one thing about the hexwraith they are fast Calvary so they get a free reform durting their movement so you wouldnt have to wait a full turn to do it again. |
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| Mathusala0 | 23rd January 2012 - 04:05 PM Post #29 | |
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Dont think they were fast cav | |
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| Stalarious | 23rd January 2012 - 04:37 PM Post #30 | |
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Yeah thats why I was thinking of doing it twice. Then putting them 1" away from a scary unit for charge denial. | |
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