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wait testing on one die?

one die would never fail a leadership test... wha?
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15th January 2012 - 07:12 PM
wait testing on one die?

one die would never fail a leadership test... wha?
unless there Ld is insanely low and they can't use inspiring presence otherwise that's a bit unfair.
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My major concern is can the unit that "phases through" enemy units (causing hits); can that be used as or in conjunction with a charge?

Basically; can the unit charge "through" unit A to get to unit B (behind unit A)? Thus engaging combat with B and causing hits on A?

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Naw, it specifically states in their rules the attack-move must be made in the remaining moves subphase.

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Yea, my bad, i phrased that incorrectly. I'll see if i can find what I was talking about.
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on a much smaller note, Im happy gw is finally realizing that spears are not worth paying more points for. at least in eighth edition.

the wraiths are going to suck other than the flying attack. I think we will see a lot more level 1 engineers 6 dicing warplightning to drop them out of the game quickly.

that said, with only a single S5 attack, even ignoring almost all saves other than ward. they are going to have combat ress problems and I think we will see them as harassing units or really really big units, if at all.

Im curious as to how black knights work now. Im also curious to double check that they can no longer spam spells (which will make th past unit cap removal irrelevant) Zombies are finally what they should be except they are still going to crumble out the wazoo so I doubt we will see them much, I do think we will see a lot of skeletons now which is good, cause they sucked to high heaven in the last edition. Im most interested in the coven and mortus engion. but I think we wont see a huge problem for uws with them, just cannons and doomwheels as normal.

did they already change the terrorghiest rules? I was fine with it the way it was, and Im not worried abut something that will get 2 shot buy a cannon.

I am interested to see how they reworked vampires and necros. before they had necros as a sub optimal option, now it sounds like necros will be the level 4 and vamps will be combat oriented only.

the flying monstrous vamps are pretty disgusting though, those will need to be dealt with carefully.


can you answer these ones while your at it XD?
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Naw, it specifically states in their rules the attack-move must be made in the remaining moves subphase.


Good, I didn't think GW would be short-sighted enough to allow a major double whammy like that, just wanted to make sure; in case I come across some here in a few weeks. Thank you!

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on a much smaller note, Im happy gw is finally realizing that spears are not worth paying more points for. at least in eighth edition.

the wraiths are going to suck other than the flying attack. I think we will see a lot more level 1 engineers 6 dicing warplightning to drop them out of the game quickly.

that said, with only a single S5 attack, even ignoring almost all saves other than ward. they are going to have combat ress problems and I think we will see them as harassing units or really really big units, if at all.

Im curious as to how black knights work now. Im also curious to double check that they can no longer spam spells (which will make th past unit cap removal irrelevant) Zombies are finally what they should be except they are still going to crumble out the wazoo so I doubt we will see them much, I do think we will see a lot of skeletons now which is good, cause they sucked to high heaven in the last edition. Im most interested in the coven and mortus engion. but I think we wont see a huge problem for uws with them, just cannons and doomwheels as normal.

did they already change the terrorghiest rules? I was fine with it the way it was, and Im not worried abut something that will get 2 shot buy a cannon.

I am interested to see how they reworked vampires and necros. before they had necros as a sub optimal option, now it sounds like necros will be the level 4 and vamps will be combat oriented only.

the flying monstrous vamps are pretty disgusting though, those will need to be dealt with carefully.


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Spears for free totally makes sense, extra rank of attacks vs parry is a good tradeoff and relatively equal in 'gaming power', imo.

Aye, the Hexwraiths will have some utility against armies that are low on magic attacks (ie Beastmen, Goblins). Though, they do cause Terror so you know that unlucky roll with have your unit fleeing. They will be great for taking out annoying flankers or warmachines or single models and can definitely put the hurt on a unit with no way of hurting them back. If you have a unit of 10, thats 10 no AS S5 attacks. That's gonna win you some combats when they will only have 2 ranks on you.

Black Knights are now basically mounted Grave Guard, which makes them AMAZINGLY better than the previous incarnation. S4 T4 Killing Blow , options to have a 2+ AS and/or Lances and their steeds are still Insubstantial, meaning terrain does nothing to hinder them. Also, you can raise more than 1 per turn. Up to 5 per cast, if you have a lv4.

It appears they can no longer spam spells. They get one cast per spell per turn like everyone else. (unless i missed something....THANK GOD!)

Terrorgheist seems to be unchanged, though I don't have references for it from the past. Same 8", needs LOS, can be used against unit in CC. (2d6 + its remaining wound value) - Targets LD = wounds caused.

Vamps vs Necros was in a previous post.

Vargheists definitely appear to be super good, though they have no save of any kind and have T4 so just like our Rat Ogres they will drop like flies if ranged concentrates on them. Though 6 of them in your flank or rear is going to hurt...ALOT!

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What I meant to say was they make you test on 3 dice and discard the lowest. (sorry about that) Its a magic standard for fairly cheap. Then a vampire ability makes you reroll passed Fear tests, or if you have a BSB nearby it negates your reroll. Then there is the Vamp ability thats -1 LD for everything within 6", and another thats test at LD-3 or reroll successful to hits for the phase. (cumulative with the previous, so thats -4 LD for that particular test)

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Ghouls are the exact same, but 2 points more expensive. So yep, slight nerf.
Also, Vargheists have Frenzy and only a LD of 7 so you should be able to bait them quite easily as their max charge range will be something like 22". They fail that LD test and they will most likely be charging a Rat Dart or some Slaves, 1st or 2nd turn...
OH! I nearly forgot, the 4+ Regen banner is GONE!!! wooooooooo!!!!
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What I meant to say was they make you test on 3 dice and discard the lowest. (sorry about that)


what happens to lizards, which rule proceeds the other. cold blooded or this one.

see, already found a problem. GW you don't know how to write.

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and another thats test at LD-3 or reroll successful to hits for the phase.
oh look my slaves will never kill your black knights now... oh wait... they never did anyway.
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I think they FAQ'd that when it came to the Casket of Souls that they just roll 4 dice or something....interesting note though.

...where did I see that?

In 5 minutes I just made a Ghoul King with 5 INI8 WS8 S8 POISONED attacks, that have infinite hatred (reroll misses every round), Red Fury (for every wound make another attack), -5 AS, Reroll any successful ward saves. Then if you even get to attack, take a fear test at -1 LD, then a test at -4LD or reroll your successful to hits.

Then he could also be on a terrorgheist...UGGGHH...people are gonna make some nasty stuff.
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What I meant to say was they make you test on 3 dice and discard the lowest. (sorry about that)


what happens to lizards, which rule proceeds the other. cold blooded or this one.
I would guess that what happens then is they test on 4 dice and discard the highest and the lowest.
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yeah but how many points is that vampire? at least several hundred. and mounting him on a terrorghiest puts him well into 500-600 points i would think, and makes him a gleaming target for a cannon shot. which will kill him and crumble the army,
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Haha, yea, totally. Probably wouldn't put a 500 point lord on something so easily cannon sniped.

He's ~450 w/o the Gheist, and to be honest I'm not sure if it's 100% legal. Can't remember the exact points value for Ogre Blade and Tricksters Shard (or OtherTS, whichever is reroll WS) Though I don't think they are over 100 points together, I could be horribly wrong.


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Also, if you have another Vampire lore caster, they take control of the army after the *initial* crumble at the start of your next turn. So as long as you have a caster with lore of vamps alive, you will only crumble once from your general dying.
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