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| Mathusala0 | 15th January 2012 - 07:12 PM Post #16 | |
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wait testing on one die? one die would never fail a leadership test... wha? |
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| hannanibal | 15th January 2012 - 07:13 PM Post #17 | |
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The bread that satisfies all hunger... the peanut that reverses time...
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unless there Ld is insanely low and they can't use inspiring presence otherwise that's a bit unfair. |
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| CapAmr05 | 15th January 2012 - 07:26 PM Post #18 | |
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My major concern is can the unit that "phases through" enemy units (causing hits); can that be used as or in conjunction with a charge? Basically; can the unit charge "through" unit A to get to unit B (behind unit A)? Thus engaging combat with B and causing hits on A? --Cap |
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| Rakchew | 15th January 2012 - 07:34 PM Post #19 | |
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@capAmr05 Naw, it specifically states in their rules the attack-move must be made in the remaining moves subphase. @mathusuala0 Yea, my bad, i phrased that incorrectly. I'll see if i can find what I was talking about. |
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| Mathusala0 | 15th January 2012 - 07:35 PM Post #20 | |
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can you answer these ones while your at it XD? |
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| CapAmr05 | 15th January 2012 - 07:46 PM Post #21 | |
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Good, I didn't think GW would be short-sighted enough to allow a major double whammy like that, just wanted to make sure; in case I come across some here in a few weeks. Thank you! --Cap |
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| SkavenDan | 15th January 2012 - 07:56 PM Post #22 | |
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Did Ghouls get nerfed? | |
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| Rakchew | 15th January 2012 - 08:11 PM Post #23 | |
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Sure! Spears for free totally makes sense, extra rank of attacks vs parry is a good tradeoff and relatively equal in 'gaming power', imo. Aye, the Hexwraiths will have some utility against armies that are low on magic attacks (ie Beastmen, Goblins). Though, they do cause Terror so you know that unlucky roll with have your unit fleeing. They will be great for taking out annoying flankers or warmachines or single models and can definitely put the hurt on a unit with no way of hurting them back. If you have a unit of 10, thats 10 no AS S5 attacks. That's gonna win you some combats when they will only have 2 ranks on you. Black Knights are now basically mounted Grave Guard, which makes them AMAZINGLY better than the previous incarnation. S4 T4 Killing Blow , options to have a 2+ AS and/or Lances and their steeds are still Insubstantial, meaning terrain does nothing to hinder them. Also, you can raise more than 1 per turn. Up to 5 per cast, if you have a lv4. It appears they can no longer spam spells. They get one cast per spell per turn like everyone else. (unless i missed something....THANK GOD!) Terrorgheist seems to be unchanged, though I don't have references for it from the past. Same 8", needs LOS, can be used against unit in CC. (2d6 + its remaining wound value) - Targets LD = wounds caused. Vamps vs Necros was in a previous post. Vargheists definitely appear to be super good, though they have no save of any kind and have T4 so just like our Rat Ogres they will drop like flies if ranged concentrates on them. Though 6 of them in your flank or rear is going to hurt...ALOT! @mathusala0 What I meant to say was they make you test on 3 dice and discard the lowest. (sorry about that) Its a magic standard for fairly cheap. Then a vampire ability makes you reroll passed Fear tests, or if you have a BSB nearby it negates your reroll. Then there is the Vamp ability thats -1 LD for everything within 6", and another thats test at LD-3 or reroll successful to hits for the phase. (cumulative with the previous, so thats -4 LD for that particular test) @skavendan Ghouls are the exact same, but 2 points more expensive. So yep, slight nerf. Also, Vargheists have Frenzy and only a LD of 7 so you should be able to bait them quite easily as their max charge range will be something like 22". They fail that LD test and they will most likely be charging a Rat Dart or some Slaves, 1st or 2nd turn... OH! I nearly forgot, the 4+ Regen banner is GONE!!! wooooooooo!!!! Edited by Rakchew, 16th January 2012 - 12:32 AM.
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| Mathusala0 | 15th January 2012 - 08:22 PM Post #24 | |
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what happens to lizards, which rule proceeds the other. cold blooded or this one. see, already found a problem. GW you don't know how to write. oh look my slaves will never kill your black knights now... oh wait... they never did anyway. |
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| Rakchew | 15th January 2012 - 08:40 PM Post #25 | |
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I think they FAQ'd that when it came to the Casket of Souls that they just roll 4 dice or something....interesting note though. ...where did I see that? In 5 minutes I just made a Ghoul King with 5 INI8 WS8 S8 POISONED attacks, that have infinite hatred (reroll misses every round), Red Fury (for every wound make another attack), -5 AS, Reroll any successful ward saves. Then if you even get to attack, take a fear test at -1 LD, then a test at -4LD or reroll your successful to hits. Then he could also be on a terrorgheist...UGGGHH...people are gonna make some nasty stuff. |
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| Boone | 15th January 2012 - 08:43 PM Post #26 | |
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that shoughi ghoul king is gross its easily on par with an ogre tyrant. |
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| Warlock Matik | 15th January 2012 - 08:44 PM Post #27 | |
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I would guess that what happens then is they test on 4 dice and discard the highest and the lowest. |
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| Mathusala0 | 15th January 2012 - 08:59 PM Post #28 | |
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yeah but how many points is that vampire? at least several hundred. and mounting him on a terrorghiest puts him well into 500-600 points i would think, and makes him a gleaming target for a cannon shot. which will kill him and crumble the army, | |
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| Rakchew | 15th January 2012 - 09:08 PM Post #29 | |
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Haha, yea, totally. Probably wouldn't put a 500 point lord on something so easily cannon sniped. He's ~450 w/o the Gheist, and to be honest I'm not sure if it's 100% legal. Can't remember the exact points value for Ogre Blade and Tricksters Shard (or OtherTS, whichever is reroll WS) Though I don't think they are over 100 points together, I could be horribly wrong. *Edit* Also, if you have another Vampire lore caster, they take control of the army after the *initial* crumble at the start of your next turn. So as long as you have a caster with lore of vamps alive, you will only crumble once from your general dying. Edited by Rakchew, 15th January 2012 - 09:09 PM.
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| Thawzz13 | 15th January 2012 - 09:14 PM Post #30 | |
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Sleepai dooggy
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