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Topic Started: 6th January 2012 - 05:30 PM (363 Views)
Leo Gun-Gun


I recently bought honestly a brood horror to ride to battle on (Tunnel here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Skaven/SKAVEN-WARLORD-ON-BROOD-HORROR.html).
Now think-ponder buy two Island of Blood to be army with him.
Think-planned list and looks this:

Lords:

Warlord
Shield, Brood horror with Rusted armour, tail weapon, rathound bodyguard, Potion of strength, warrior bane, Armour of Destiny
General, this is me, glorious conqueror

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warplock pistol, warp energy condenser, talisman of endurance
Token wizard-thing, to poor for glorious greyseer, he dispel and survive. Good yes-yes?

Chieftain
BSB, extra hand weapon, razor standard
Not-trust, do I need assassin if he turns?

Chieftain
Warlock Augumented weapons, Ironcurse Icon
Expensive, warpstone cost lots for Skryer

Core

40 Clanrats
Spears, Shields, Command group, Warpfire thrower
Many rat-things serve me, they know my greatness, speak it often

40 Clanrats
Shields, Command group, poison wind mortar
Weapon team strange, not remember buy-buy

Special

4 Ratogres with 2 Packmasters
Pay much, and packmasters smell strange, they want my warpstone, must send to die-die

Total army: 1487pts
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Fenris
Chieftain
I recently bought honestly a brood horror to ride to battle on (Tunnel here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Skaven/SKAVEN-WARLORD-ON-BROOD-HORROR.html).
Now think-ponder buy two Island of Blood to be army with him.

I know only too well the zesty allure of forgeworld, I just got my self a whole army of Death Korp Of Krieg. Cost a pretty penny.

Think-planned list and looks this:

Lords:

Warlord
Shield, Brood horror with Rusted armour, tail weapon, rathound bodyguard, Potion of strength, warrior bane, Armour of Destiny
General, this is me, glorious conqueror

This is what we in the 'Biz' call a 'cannon-ball-magnet'. He will draw lots of fire. So it is good that you hqve the armour of destiny. Lose the rathound and tail weapon. What the hell is rusted armour, and am I right to assume that it applys to the brood horror? So breakdown on Skaven. Skaven are weak, but many. So for this guy don't take him to work over oponents characters. that won't fly and before you know it he's dead and your leader ship bubble is toast. No, tool him instead to decimate their units foot slooger and make him a proper hammer. and avoid the enemy front and hit them in the flank.

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warplock pistol, warp energy condenser, talisman of endurance
Token wizard-thing, to poor for glorious greyseer, he dispel and survive. Good yes-yes?

No talisman of endurence, take instead a doomrocket and the condeser. with no grey seer the lvl two is fine

Chieftain
BSB, extra hand weapon, razor standard
Not-trust, do I need assassin if he turns?

don't take the razor standard. you desperatly need the bsb for the rerolls. ergo you do not want him in combat.

Chieftain
Warlock Augumented weapons, Ironcurse Icon
Expensive, warpstone cost lots for Skryer

just lose him he is unnecessary and wont do for you something more slave will.

Core

40 Clanrats
Spears, Shields, Command group, Warpfire thrower
Many rat-things serve me, they know my greatness, speak it often

No spears, the five extra attacks afforded are not worth it. not when compared to the 6+ ward from the shield.

40 Clanrats
Shields, Command group, poison wind mortar
Weapon team strange, not remember buy-buy

This is better, though honestly I would lose the spears unit in lue of slave. you can get two units of 50 with mus with some change left over

Special

4 Ratogres with 2 Packmasters
Pay much, and packmasters smell strange, they want my warpstone, must send to die-die

Make this unit five strong. They will twke alot of fire, skweel helps if you have points

Total army: 1487pts

So I like that your using the Brood horror and I hope your gaming group will allow it. It will be fun and flavor full. But you will need to learn something. We don not win combats with our troops. we get stuck in and force the to fight an impossible battle against to many weak willed rats that won't break do too stead fast. then we hit em in the flanks with the power houses. the A-bomb, Rogres, furnace.This is our victory condition. if it too tough for us to handle we shoot it with a wlc or a doomwheel. then magic the heck out of them.
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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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Leo Gun-Gun


My answers to your answers in bold.

Lords:

Warlord
Shield, Brood horror with Rusted armour, tail weapon, rathound bodyguard, Potion of strength, warrior bane, Armour of Destiny
General, this is me, glorious conqueror

This is what we in the 'Biz' call a 'cannon-ball-magnet'. He will draw lots of fire. So it is good that you hqve the armour of destiny. Lose the rathound and tail weapon. What the hell is rusted armour, and am I right to assume that it applys to the brood horror? So breakdown on Skaven. Skaven are weak, but many. So for this guy don't take him to work over oponents characters. that won't fly and before you know it he's dead and your leader ship bubble is toast. No, tool him instead to decimate their units foot slooger and make him a proper hammer. and avoid the enemy front and hit them in the flank.

Well the tail weapon is on the model, the rusted armour gives the brood horror a 5+ armoursave for ten pts. I don't try to use him to kill characters, the warrior bane is simply the cheapest means to get magical attacks (needed since one of the regular opponents use wraiths).

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warplock pistol, warp energy condenser, talisman of endurance
Token wizard-thing, to poor for glorious greyseer, he dispel and survive. Good yes-yes?

No talisman of endurence, take instead a doomrocket and the condeser. with no grey seer the lvl two is fine

Will do so

Chieftain
BSB, extra hand weapon, razor standard
Not-trust, do I need assassin if he turns?

don't take the razor standard. you desperatly need the bsb for the rerolls. ergo you do not want him in combat.

I thought I could just hide him behind ranks

Chieftain
Warlock Augumented weapons, Ironcurse Icon
Expensive, warpstone cost lots for Skryer

just lose him he is unnecessary and wont do for you something more slave will.

OK

Core

40 Clanrats
Spears, Shields, Command group, Warpfire thrower
Many rat-things serve me, they know my greatness, speak it often

No spears, the five extra attacks afforded are not worth it. not when compared to the 6+ ward from the shield.

Getting two IoB I will get 40 clanrats with spears, they come pre-equipped

40 Clanrats
Shields, Command group, poison wind mortar
Weapon team strange, not remember buy-buy

This is better, though honestly I would lose the spears unit in lue of slave. you can get two units of 50 with mus with some change left over

Special

4 Ratogres with 2 Packmasters
Pay much, and packmasters smell strange, they want my warpstone, must send to die-die

Make this unit five strong. They will twke alot of fire, skweel helps if you have points

Allright will buy an extra box of those then
Edited by Leo Gun-Gun, 7th January 2012 - 05:40 AM.
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Fenris
Chieftain
The bsb can only go to the back rank if hes challenged. Why bother with that when you could just direct aattacks at him instead. Well as for the spears you can cut them do2n and make them hand weapons. Or use them as slaves.

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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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koffietje
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Leo Gun-gun, hello-welcome

I myself am also a great fan of the brood horrors. I have one in my backyard as well and its always a great blast to see him grabbing one of the feeders by the tail. (We never tell them they are the actual food , hehe)
The brood horror has +4 regenerate, so i dont really see why you would add the rusted armour as well. You can only use one of both. (unless of course you expect a lot of fire? )
The breath attack weapon that the brood horror has, is a lot more convenient, especially if you'd use him to flank enemies, before they are able to charge into something. If you're using the experimental rules on the forgeworld site, then know that many players will say that they find it kind of cheating. Compared to the HPA or Hydra, the brood horror is almost as good (and even better imho if you take all the upgrades) for less points. I play the brood horror as a HPA myself. They are the same width and length and about the same height.
If you plan to put a warlord on top of his back, I would advice you not to make that one the general. A brood horror, combined with a warlord, can deliver one hell of a punch. But as has been said before, they draw a LOT of attention as well. The warlord doesnt need all those fancy trinkets to upgrade his strength.

And for the rest...well, listen to Fenris. He knows stuff !
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Thawzz13
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Sleepai dooggy :)
With the iob clanrats just make a unit of half hand weapons and half spears


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Fenris
Chieftain
koffietje has a good eye himself. Just don't focus on trying to win combat with your core. Keep your troops 5 man front by alot of ranks esspecially the slaves. the core just hold em at bay so we can hit them in the flanks with an apprpriate hammer.
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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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Leo Gun-Gun


Allright then, draft two

Lord

Warlord
Brood Horror with rusted armour, tail weapon, warrior bane, spellshield, Talisman of Preservation

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warp energy Condenser, Pistol, Doomrocket

Chieftain
Additional hand weapon, BSB

Core
40 Clanrats
spears (the models will still look better with them and optimizing isn't that important), shields, command, warpfire thrower

40 Clanrats
shield, command, poison wind mortar

50 Skaven slaves
Slings, Shields, command

Special

6 Rat ogres and their three packmasters

Total army: 1498pts
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Fenris
Chieftain
Allright then, draft two

Lord

Warlord
Brood Horror with rusted armour, tail weapon, warrior bane, spellshield, Talisman of Preservation

Put the breath weapon on him. you can use it in combat. and still get your regular attacks. It does two d6
hit at the strength of the weapon. lose the spell shield.Tail weapon too. I know it has on on it but just say it forms part of his regular attacks or something use your imagination. And Id give him arour of destiny and warlock augmented weapon. But that is just me

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warp energy Condenser, Pistol, Doomrocket

fine, but he wont get the chance to use the pistol or if he does it will prolly miss so save 8 points

Chieftain
Additional hand weapon, BSB

Take a shield instead. You dont want him in combat. And give to him the storm banner you'll need the protection it offers

Core
40 Clanrats
spears (the models will still look better with them and optimizing isn't that important), shields, command, warpfire thrower

if you insist then make this unit 25 and put the bsb in it, also I would suggest taking another warlord and making him the general and leave him bare bone and in this unit for the leadership bubble. Trust me you will thank me for that advice.

40 Clanrats
shield, command, poison wind mortar

alright

50 Skaven slaves
Slings, Shields, command

Okay, I'm tired and i think my base here in afghanistan just came under attack, so I'll save you the long explanation why we do not put shields on slave and give you the revised version. Say you tak ten wounds from a warriors of chaos unit. (this is low balling by the way, they will tend to get more slaves) If you have shields that cost in this case about 25 points, they will save you on average 2 point somthing slaves. You have still lost combat. But we don't care about losing combat and we don't care about slaves. For that twenty five points that saved you only four points worth of models you can get a woping 12 more slaves. that means you will maintain your stead fast for longer enabling you to hit em in the flank with your Brood horror. Yay!

Special

6 Rat ogres and their three packmasters

not bad, but look don't expect this unit to always perform for you okay. They will do wel0l but they are easy to kill and if you lose to many they wont give you the punch you need to break the unit. also you dont need three packmasters.




Total army: 1498pts


Now then, I like it better you are picking it up. But you will find that when you go to upgrade this you will need some rare and more slaves and the ubiquitus gutter runners with slings and poisoned attacks. they wreck stuff. If you need points for the suggestions I made then lose the warpfire thrower and a packmaster. And make the spear unit smaller and keep them and the command team (bsb, and general) there. their job is only to tive leadership and rerolls to the units in combat to make them harder to break.
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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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Thawzz13
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Sleepai dooggy :)
Drop the slings on the slaves as their low Bs means they will never hit with enough shots to be worth it just have 2 units of 40 naked.

And again drop the spears. Use the models but gamewise just drop em.


Not sure about the Rogres. Personally i dont like em but if it works for you.....

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The Evil Underlord

Allright then, draft two

Lord

Warlord
Brood Horror with rusted armour, tail weapon, warrior bane, spellshield, Talisman of Preservation

don't know enough about the brood horror to comment.

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warp energy Condenser, Pistol, Doomrocket

drop the pistol.

Chieftain
Additional hand weapon, BSB

drop the AHW and get a shield.

Core
40 Clanrats
spears (the models will still look better with them and optimizing isn't that important), shields, command, warpfire thrower

then at least dont run them in horde, try a 7 wide formation.

40 Clanrats
shield, command, poison wind mortar

good

50 Skaven slaves
Slings, Shields, command

drop the slings, and drop the champion, slaves never want slings, the odds of hitting with them far outweigh the points you spend, and slaves do not need champions, just gets another slave or 2.,

Special

6 Rat ogres and their three packmasters

Not that efficient of a hammer unit

you really need to invest in some rares, your barely clinging to enough models and those rat ogres are a huge point sink.
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Leo Gun-Gun


Mk3

Noticed the last one had a calculation error and was above the pts limit.

Lords

Warlord
Brood Horror with Rusted Armour, Tailweapon, Shield, Warrior bane, Talisman of Preservation
Pestilent breath will put me above the lord limit and Talisman of Preservation gives a 4+ wardsave for 5pts less than Armour of Destiny. The lord keeps his tail, I play WYSWYG and wish little conversions.

Heroes

Warlock Engineer
Level 2, Warp Energy Condenser, Pistol, Doomrocket
I have a pistol for several reasons:
1) It's cool
2) The model has it
3) It's actually an additional handweapon too
4) It might kill someone
5) It's cool

The two first are the most important ones but the rest contribute.


Chieftain
Additional Handweapon, BSB
The model I plan to use has two handweapons and it hardly matters if he's just going to hide behind the line giving a re-roll bubble

Core

30 Clanrats
Spears, shields, command, poison wind mortar
Roughly what you suggested, 5 more but I can't spend that on the pestilent breath anyways due to the percentage system.

40 Clanrats
Shields, Command, Warpfire thrower
Should still be fine, just swapped weaponteam with the other unit

50 Skaven slaves
Slings, Command
Yeah, let them die

Special

6 Rat Ogres, 3 Packmasters
Same unit as before

Total army 1496pts, planned updates for 2k, warlord, more slaves, some rare or special thing, maybe a magical banner
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Even if he's got a sword in his tail it doesn't mean he can use it. ;)
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Even if he's got a sword in his tail it doesn't mean he can use it.
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The shield matters because you want a 4+6+ much more than you want 1 extra attack should something get into combat with the bsb.

again, drop the slings from the slaves.
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