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Topic Started: 23rd December 2011 - 09:30 PM (733 Views)
THE CLAW!!!


Sorry, I wrote it in a hurry.

1000/1000

Lord

Warlord: 139

Halberd and portents of venomous doom


Core

Clanrats: 225
x30
Warpfire thrower
mu, st, and claw

Clanrats: 210
x30
Ratling gun
mu, st, and claw

Clanrats: 110
x20
mu, st, and claw


Special

Rat ogres: 316
x5(ogres)
x2(packmasters)
Skweel: 100

What about this?
Eh... Hello...

"The Orks belive that red things go faster; beware of Orks with red bullets!" Green up Grotzilla!

What's brown and sticky? = a stick

The world will look up and shout, "save us!" and I will look down and say "No".
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Fenris
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I might try to fit in a WFt instead of the ratling gun. I expect it will get you more kills.
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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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THE CLAW!!!


I'd like to test them both before I pass jugement.
Eh... Hello...

"The Orks belive that red things go faster; beware of Orks with red bullets!" Green up Grotzilla!

What's brown and sticky? = a stick

The world will look up and shout, "save us!" and I will look down and say "No".
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Mathusala0
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The Evil Underlord

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Sorry, I wrote it in a hurry.


hahahaha, dude im just giving advise, not trying to get on your case or anything. this second list is much better. id prefer to have a mage in there somewhere but its still ok.
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THE CLAW!!!


I'm always happy to recieve some advice :)


Could you give me an example list where you would add a mage?
Eh... Hello...

"The Orks belive that red things go faster; beware of Orks with red bullets!" Green up Grotzilla!

What's brown and sticky? = a stick

The world will look up and shout, "save us!" and I will look down and say "No".
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Mathusala0
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The Evil Underlord

Lord

Grey Sear: 240

Heroes:

Chieftain BSB with shield: 72

Core

40 slaves with shields and music: 102

41 slaves with shields and music: 104.5

Clanrats: 172
x26
mu, st, and claw
shields
wind mortar


Special

Rat ogres: 208
x5(ogres)
x1(packmasters)
Skweel: 100

quick revision
Edited by Mathusala0, 29th December 2011 - 07:48 PM.
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Fenris
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Just take a lvl 2 warplock engineer with warp energy condenser and a doom rocket (DR is not a necessity at this point.)
replace your war lord, itll cost 11 more points than the WL.bYou can lose the command on your bunker unit for the exra points. You want them no where near combat anyway.
And as for the rattling gun. Try it at your own peril. It fails to impress. trust me.
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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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THE CLAW!!!


Are slaves better than clanrats? How would they be placed (formation)

I've got a game tomorow at 1000 points so I'd like some feedback on this list if it's not to much trouble :)

1000/1000
Lord

Grey seer: 240


Heros

Warlock: 85
lv1
Warp condenser


Core

Clanrats: 270
x40
shields
WFT
M,S,C

Clanrats: 237
x36
shields
Rat gun
M,S,C


Special

Rat ogres: 208
x4(ogres)
x1(packmasters)
Skweel: 100

How is that?
Eh... Hello...

"The Orks belive that red things go faster; beware of Orks with red bullets!" Green up Grotzilla!

What's brown and sticky? = a stick

The world will look up and shout, "save us!" and I will look down and say "No".
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Mathusala0
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The Evil Underlord

Are slaves better than clanrats? How would they be placed (formation)

5 wide as deep as possible, they aren't necessarily better but they are infinitely cheaper so you can have a lot more of them and save more points for other things.

I've got a game tomorow at 1000 points so I'd like some feedback on this list if it's not to much trouble

1000/1000
Lord

Grey seer: 240

fine

Heros

Warlock: 85
lv1
Warp condenser

you don't need him at this points level when you have a greysear, you need a battle standard bearer far more urgently


Core

Clanrats: 270
x40
shields
WFT
M,S,C

ok, while the unit size is nice, you'll note in my proxy list i made for you i had one unit remain really small, right now you've got 2 units that you can put characters in, you'll want one smaller unit to carry characters so they don't have to get stuck in close combat.

Clanrats: 237
x36
shields
Rat gun
M,S,C

as above

Special

Rat ogres: 208
x5(ogres)
x1(packmasters)
Skweel: 100

rat ogres are not 50 points each, they are 5 slaves cheaper

fine

How is that?
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THE CLAW!!!


995/1000
Lord

Grey seer: 255
x1 warptoken

Core

Clanrats: 216
x28
shields
WFT
M,S,C

Clanrats: 165
x20
shields
Rat gun
M,S,C

Skavenslaves: 76
x28
shields
M,p


Special

Rat ogres: 268
x4(ogres)
x1(packmasters)
Skweel: 100
x1 master-bred

How about this?
I got annihilated...
Edited by THE CLAW!!!, 31st December 2011 - 04:58 PM.
Eh... Hello...

"The Orks belive that red things go faster; beware of Orks with red bullets!" Green up Grotzilla!

What's brown and sticky? = a stick

The world will look up and shout, "save us!" and I will look down and say "No".
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Fenris
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THE CLAW!!!
30th December 2011 - 10:06 PM
995/1000
Lord

Grey seer: 255
x1 warptoken

Core

Clanrats: 216
x28
shields
WFT
M,S,C

Clanrats: 165
x20
shields
Rat gun
M,S,C

Skavenslaves: 76
x28
shields
M,p


Special

Rat ogres: 268
x4(ogres)
x1(packmasters)
Skweel: 100
x1 master-bred

How about this?
I got annihilated...
About the shields on the slaves. Look man I know it seems like the 6+ will save the day for you but look at it honestly If you run fifty with shields and musician thats 127 points. And on average you'll save about one in six. Okay thats cool I guess, but instead you could take that 25 points and get twelve more slaves. So say some nurgle warriors of chaos hit you in the CotE forum approved 18 man six man front formation with halberds and they rock the banner that gives them frenzy and they have festus the leach lord who gives them poison attacks. (this is my unit i'm talking about. I run them all kinds of punch you in the face.) your looking at twenty two strength five poison attacks that hit you on threes. About seven will miss, about 4 will poison, and then you have 11 wounds still to roll only needing twos. thats about two that fail to wound Thats about 13 wounds on the unit. Youv'e already lost combat at this point before that measly 6+ save comes to your aid. Which it will about twice if your lucky. In the end it saved you 2 rats. 25 points and all you got for your trouble was two rats. they only cost two points apiece. Hate to keep beating this dead horse, but 25 points made you back 4 points. No that is no deal. take instead the 12 rats extra so hehas to kill more of them. thats their function anyway, being to many to kill all of. Because next turn you hit those nurgly punks in the flank and show em some pain with the abomb.


I copied this from another post I left on an older thread. So apply it like this, the poits you spent on superflous nonsens on your slaves was 18 points for the shields and pawleader. For those 18 point you could have a unit od 37 slave rather than a unit of 28. he'll manage another two wounds on you but you have more men to kill so its whatever.

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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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THE CLAW!!!


I don't mind that I lost but I think that I'll take a break from fantesy for a while while I collect a more diverse army, I love all kinds of warhammer but that game was litteraly a massacre!
Eh... Hello...

"The Orks belive that red things go faster; beware of Orks with red bullets!" Green up Grotzilla!

What's brown and sticky? = a stick

The world will look up and shout, "save us!" and I will look down and say "No".
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Fenris
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THE CLAW!!!
1st January 2012 - 10:38 AM
I don't mind that I lost but I think that I'll take a break from fantesy for a while while I collect a more diverse army, I love all kinds of warhammer but that game was litteraly a massacre!
I think I would like to read the battle report. I could then tell you your mistakes and how to correct them. Though I do know how a beating can make you hate the game. I once tabled a beastman army turn one. And that guy hasn't played since.
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It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775- Patrick Henry
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As Mathusala0 pointed out, you really need a Battle Standard Bearer. You've also mis-chosen your Weapons Teams: I'd get rid of the Ratling Gun, and even the Warpfire Thrower (better, but still too dangerous) and put in a Poisoned Wind Mortar. And you need more slaves. But most of all, get rid of those Rat Ogres, and put in a decent Rare choice, like a Hell Pit Abomination, Warp Lightning Cannon, or even a Doomwheel.

You just spent over a third of your total points--363, to be exact--on 5 Rat Ogres and Skweel. For one point less, you could have fielded two Warp Lightning Cannons and a unit of 40 Skavenslaves with musician. You would have found that a much more efficient use of points.
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Sleepai dooggy :)
I agree with olorin use the Rogres as unit fillers and have a hell pit or something

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