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If I have my warlord on a bonebreaker with 40 clanrats, can he be picked off still without killing the rats first? like if a template weapon, or magic missles or arrows hit thhat unit, can he be specifically targeted?
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Yes. If he is hit by for example a cannonball he would not get a Look out Sir roll. This is where the Charmed Shield or at least a Ward save comes in handy.

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Edited by Scarr, Reincarnated, 19th December 2011 - 10:15 PM.
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19th December 2011 - 10:01 PM
If I have my warlord on a bonebreaker with 40 clanrats, can he be picked off still without killing the rats first? like if a template weapon, or magic missles or arrows hit thhat unit, can he be specifically targeted?
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That why I think warlitter is better
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arrows cannot hit him except when the unit has less than 6 rank and file models (page 99) they still have to target the unit. however, cannons and other templates hit him and do not allow him a look out sir. magic missiles are the same as above (with the exception a a few character targeting spells).

and in close combat he may be targeted by anything in base contact.
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20th December 2011 - 07:02 AM
arrows cannot hit him except when the unit has less than 6 rank and file models (page 99) they still have to target the unit. however, cannons and other templates hit him and do not allow him a look out sir. magic missiles are the same as above (with the exception a a few character targeting spells).

and in close combat he may be targeted by anything in base contact.
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"Normal" shooting attack [...] cannot hit a character in a combined unit if there are five or more rank and file model from the same troop type.
Since warlord on a bonebreaker is a monstrous cavalry, and Skaven have no monstrous cavalry unit
Which mean everyone with LOS to Warlord can target warlord instead.
In otherword, any attack that distributed in the same manner as shooting attacks, can target warlord on a bonebreaker as if he is a lone model
Sitting in a unit normally give no protection to warlord w. bonebreaker.

You can imaging that......
in the battlefield, a lot of rats coming from far far away, you don't know who they are, but one of them obviously on top of a ratogre
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technically its a monstrous beast. so i don't know if being in a rat ogre unit offers any kind of protection in this way.

however otherwise, I stand corrected.
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20th December 2011 - 05:51 PM
technically its a monstrous beast. so i don't know if being in a rat ogre unit offers any kind of protection in this way.

however otherwise, I stand corrected.
A character on monstrous beast is a monstrous cavalry and only follow the rules of monstrous cavalry
Rat ogre is Monstrous Infantry, that is another different troop type

So wherever your warlord w. bonebreaker is, they just get shooted..........
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actually its still a MB according to the back of the book,

But It doesn't work regardless, Rat ogres are monstrous infantry not beasts. so yeah, more reasons not to take a bonebreaker.
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actually its still a MB according to the back of the book,


Wrong, the bonebreaker by itself is a monstrous beast. As Hong stated, the second you put someone atop a monstrous beast (mounted) the combined model becomes Monstrous Cavalry.

Skaven have no other monstrous cavalry so a look-out-sir is impossible for a Warlord-BoneBreaker to ever achieve.

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then why bother labeling it MB at all? why not just call it MC? seems rather pointless as it can never be run on its own.
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20th December 2011 - 06:55 PM
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actually its still a MB according to the back of the book,


Wrong, the bonebreaker by itself is a monstrous beast. As Hong stated, the second you put someone atop a monstrous beast (mounted) the combined model becomes Monstrous Cavalry.

Skaven have no other monstrous cavalry so a look-out-sir is impossible for a Warlord-BoneBreaker to ever achieve.

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Ok, I got it. So if we did have units of monstrous cav, he'd get it if put with them. Well nuts, I just modeled a sweet one. Any other good uses for him? What if in higher point games I put a non-general warlord atop a bonebreaker and skitterleap him into unit rears/flanks?
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can't be done. only infantry models may be skitterleaped.
Edited by Mathusala0, 20th December 2011 - 07:16 PM.
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You can't Skitterleap anything other than Infantry models, so that would not work.

Interestingly enough, he seems very capable of forcing several LD tests, something that can be failed after some time. Therefore I think Portents of Verminous Doom is a pretty viable item and should be considered when you bring the Bonebreaker. I would always deploy him on a flank, because the amount of stuff that he can kill is most probably there and you get to deploy him last because he's a Character.
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20th December 2011 - 06:50 PM
actually its still a MB according to the back of the book,

But It doesn't work regardless, Rat ogres are monstrous infantry not beasts. so yeah, more reasons not to take a bonebreaker.
Bonebreaker itself is MB
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Warlord on bonebreaker is MC

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A character will have ther option to ride a monstrous beast. in this case, the whole model is treated as having ther type "monstrous cavalry" and follows all the rules for both characters and monstrous cavalry models.


Bonebreaker is awesome and impressive
Well, as long as this warlord is not army general then it's worth a try

But warlitter is way better than bonebreaker
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Los, Infantry, Skitterleap-able......
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Ok, I got it. So if we did have units of monstrous cav, he'd get it if put with them. Well nuts, I just modeled a sweet one. Any other good uses for him? What if in higher point games I put a non-general warlord atop a bonebreaker and skitterleap him into unit rears/flanks?
No, warlord on bonebreaker can only join uClanrat, SV and RO......
Unless GW change this rule

A unit of rat-ogre riders is very interesting......

But currently our AB only has something every good that everyone want them (HPA, Slave, GRunner, WLC.....)
or something so suck like rat swarms and warpgrinder you will never see them on any competitive list

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Edited by CapAmr05, 20th December 2011 - 09:33 PM.
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