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The unfortunate editing habits of moderators; A discourse on why you shouldn't do what you do...
Topic Started: 28th October 2011 - 07:08 PM (757 Views)
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It might not be part of your job description but it sure is part of mine. :P

Joking aside (for now) I think a lot of this is a difference of opinion on how to mod. Neither our opinion nor yours is in any way ‘right’ they are just different styles of moding and I hope we can respect each other’s style of moding.
One group I would like to hear from are the LoDs. I’m relatively new to the council. How was editing people’s posts handled ‘back in the day’?
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personally, if you dont enjoy having your posts edited. tell the moderator in a pm that you dont want them to. personally i enjoy the little quirks that the mods leave in posts. it makes them feel more like part of the community rather than above it. and there are also times when the mods need to edit posts to protect the forum rules, such as when points are displayed by newbs in posts (a pretty common occurrence)
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I can't believe this is still going on.

From my point of view staff = god.

So do as god commands or else :P
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I see no problem with fixing a broken link, or correcting spelling in a topic title--I consider that part of the invisible cleanup that moderators are supposed to do. If you don't want your spelling corrected, spell correctly, at least in the topic title. (This includes using appropriate capitalization--people are taking their time to read your posts, so you can take the time to use the Shift key correctly.) Also, of course, we edit out anything objectionable, though when I do that, I always follow up with a PM.

However, if I have a comment to make that doesn't involve administrative action, I'll just make another post. The way I see it is that if I'm doing something administrative, then I can do the administrative thing and edit a post; if I'm making a comment on my own behalf, I'll just make a post like an ordinary rat. On the one hand, I'm a Council member, and have Council responsibilities; on the other hand, I'm also an individual Skaven player and hobbyist who occasionally has something to say completely apart from my Council job. I find it easier for me to differentiate the two. It's a matter of personal preference.

I tend to use my official color (orange) only for official statements. Some Council members do it that way, some use their colors all the time. I think it would be great to be able to use my color all the time, but nobody really wants to read long posts in orange. Now, if I had gotten blue, I'd definitely use that for everything. Not that I'm unhappy with orange; it's a great editing color. I was actually supposed to get purple, based on my seat number on the Council, but Silas and I joined the Council at the same time, and he said he wanted purple, so I gladly switched with him. I like orange better anyway.
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scrivener
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No we're neither gods nor staff ;) If we are, then someone's been shortchanging me on the salary/virgin sacrifices. :angry:

Personally I don't edit jokes into posts (I consider my jokes worthy of their own post), I do edit posts for modding purposes for the reasons I've already given, and for those purposes I believe they fulfill what I am trying to achieve; there are cases where I do consider an edited note to be far superior to a new post, especially where the post that requires the attention is already on a previous page.

A couple of the mods may do the joke thing, but we all have slightly different approaches (at least for the minor stuff) and fulfill different roles in the community; some flexibility has to be afforded as long as they still behave in conformance with the overarching protocol and obligations, which they do. It is essential to maintaining a balance in our approach to have that mix of personalities on the mod team.

We'll take your points on board and stay clear of editing any of your posts, and if this is a common sentiment amongst the members then we'll look into it. :) but I hope you appreciate that while we encourage our members to freely discuss with us any issues they may have, this is starting to feel more like receiving orders from a supervisor rather than a discussion. ;)


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Firby
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hmmm... I never realized that moderators had associated colors. I mean, i noticed it, but i always thought it was just a random color to bring attention to an edit. You really do learn something new every day! Just out of curiosity, which one of u guys is red?
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SEAT 1 - CHIEFTAINSKRITCHSKRITCH – On seat 1 we have the fantabulous chieftainskritchskritch, who has defined herself on this forum as one of our most tactically savvy members and all-round helpful poster. Winning the recent election by landslide, we are proud to use her leadership bonus within 12". (Skritch edits your posts in yellow)

SEAT 2 - SCARFESTER – Scarfester, besides being an admin, is one of our main painting rats on the site and is always the first to stick a sharp claw in anything even remotely related to his favorite section. Army Diaries, Painting Vows, Tail of 4+ Gamers, 24hr Painting Challenges, Painting Rank System (PRS), Painting Contests… you name it: Scarfester runs it. (Scar edits your posts in teal)

SEAT 3 - CLANLORD TRASK – Even before his ascent into the Council of Thirteen, Clanlord Trask has always been an invaluable asset to the UnderEmpire and Skaven players in general. Being the mind behind the Skavenblight Gazette, Clanlord Trask has made major steps into making this website seem way more professional than it really is. Aside from duties at the Gazette, Trask is still a plain ol' Skaven fan like the rest of us and we're all probably a lot better off with him stalking these halls as a mod. (Trask edits your posts in a color that the editor of this document is to lazy to find out about)

SEAT 4 - WARLOCK MATIK - Matik joined the council in the most dramatic of circumstances; having tied in the election, he was placed in a tie-breaker, and obviously was victorious (bribery/blackmail may or may not have played a part in this ;) ). A roleplaying, fluff-loving rat at heart and self-appointed Skryre maniac, Matik can still be found sticking his paw into almost every part of the site. (Matik edits your posts in red)

SEAT 5 - SCRIVENER – Scrivener, together with Stinkhair, is one of the council members that have been recruited into the council chambers reluctantly, but is hooked on this site like no other. Besides being the writer of some great articles on Clan Skryre, Scriv is also responsible for some of the greatest art ever to grace our tunnels and lends his artistic paw to everything from the cover of the Skavenblight gazette to forum banners. (Scriv edits your posts in light blue)

SEAT 6 - UNDERLORD BURROWS – Said to be UE’s shiniest member, Underlord Burrows brightens up our boards just by being there (sometimes we wonder if he’s not actually a High Elf in disguise…). One of the friendliest council members around, Burrows is one of those rats that dabbles a bit in each section of the site. (UB/Burrows edits your posts in blue)

SEAT 7 – CAPAMR05 - CapAmr05 might as well have been an mod before he was an mod. Famous for being a tactical mastermind and rules aficionado, he’s not the kind of guy you want to on the other side of the gaming table, but he is the kind of guy you want whispering sweet, sweet advice into your ear. On top of that, Cap is known for being level headed, enthusiastic about all things Skaven, and being from Texas. (Cap edits your posts in Lilac)

SEAT 8 - NURGLITCH VII/RUSTY TINCANNE – When Rusty Tincanne got elected into the council, a new era for all that is plague and pestilence had dawned as he took upon himself the 7th title of the arch-plaguelord Nurglitch. Walking in the disgusting pawsteps of those that went before him Nurglitch VII promises to vomit life back into the putrid hall that is our Clan Pestilens forum. (Nurglitch VII edits your posts in filth, disease and decay)

SEAT 9 - OLORIN THE ANCIENT – Though he has not been a member for very long, as a lowly rat he beguiled the populace with his silver tongue, and was elected to the Council in record time. Of course the bribes did not hurt, either. The rest of The Council will not be won over so cheaply. We keep him locked away in the Hobby tunnels, though with a passage through to the Moulder tunnel, since Seat 9 traditionally comes with Clan Moulder. He often escapes to correct silently the spelling of thread titles. (Olorin the Ancient probably edits your posts in orange)

SEAT 10 - SILAS – As a member, Silas has demonstrated a love for the roleplaying section. It is unclear if these were "roles" or separate personalities, though expert opinion points to the latter. Despite his youth (the youngest councilor in some time), his enthusiasm for Skaven and the UnderEmpire.net is both obvious and infectious. Now bow before your youngest master!!! (Silas edits your posts in purple)

SEAT 11 - GENERAL VORG – Legendary. Vorg is an UnderEmpire member with a long history that dates back before what even the Vermin Lord who is currently writing this piece can remember. Vorg is known amongst other things for fluff writing, random out-of-the-box comments, inventing a color (Vorg Greeb), inventing the "Vorgasm", keeping the squeaks and being generally likeable. (White will now be the mark of Vorgasm!!!)

SEAT 12 - SKAVEN LORD VINSHQUEEK – The only of the original 13 remaining on the Council and hands down the longest standing Co13 member at an amazing 169 weeks of service (13X13) before he retired and got re-elected. Mainly praised for overseeing the civil war, running the site as an admin and creating Skavenade(tm) in his early days, he now focuses most of his attention on running his many projects (including CWC2 and the Gazette). Vinshqueek is widely known for his love of the Games Workshop Specialist Games. (Vinz edits your posts in green)


As for editing and using my colour. I use it when editing because that way the edit stands out from anything else around it. Editing little jokes and things is something I picked up from Matik when he used to do it to me. Outside of editing I only use my colour for Update posts in RPGs (which is because I used it for that before I joined the council) and when I'm margin a post/PM with my mod hat on. So if you ever get a PM from me in purple it means that what I am saying comes not from Silas but from seat 10 on the Council of Thirteen. Likewise any posts I make in purple (not counting the above mentioned RPG updates) will be either to lock a topic, warn people to keep things civil or to tell people to get back on topic. All things that I put my mod hat on for.
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Firby
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Olorin the ancient PROBABLY edits posts in orange? Is that a typo or an inside joke? It made my laugh nonetheless.

On a side note, that entire thing was probably the most fun read i've had in, literally, a million years. My salutations to the author(s).
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Each new moderator is traditionally given a Squeekpaw blurb by the older moderators. I'd tell you who wrote what, but Council secrets are Council secrets. Anymore words and I'd have to kill you, not to mention be assassinated myself :P

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1st November 2011 - 12:08 AM
We'll take your points on board and stay clear of editing any of your posts, and if this is a common sentiment amongst the members then we'll look into it. :) but I hope you appreciate that while we encourage our members to freely discuss with us any issues they may have, this is starting to feel more like receiving orders from a supervisor rather than a discussion. ;)


If that "you" is me then that was a bit uncalled for. I've used one post to take up something I see as a problem and one to answer Vinz's question, it's not as if I bang on about it. I only ask that you listen to me (which you have), if you follow my advice is of course up to the Co13.
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1st November 2011 - 12:50 AM
Olorin the ancient PROBABLY edits posts in orange? Is that a typo or an inside joke? It made my laugh nonetheless.

On a side note, that entire thing was probably the most fun read i've had in, literally, a million years. My salutations to the author(s).
Some moderators use their colors more than others. Some never seem to use a color. At least one of us (Nurglitch VII, aka Rusty) seemingly always posts in a color, but not his official color: he uses light blue! Basically, unless the Great Horned Rat objects or we get assassinated, we Council members can do what we like with color. There was a suggestion within the Council chambers that we should go to a somewhat uniform style to make us seem more user-friendly, but the current moderators don't want that, so we're still pretty much unrestricted.

The "probably" in my blurb might have been put in before I'd ever edited anything, so they wouldn't know whether I was really using my color or not. Or, it could have been a sly reference to my penchant for not using my color, but just correcting errors quietly so that nobody notices. I'm a bit compulsive anyway (which is probably why I took to painting miniatures), but I've worked as a copy editor, and when I see a mistake, I just want to fix it!
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1st November 2011 - 04:31 PM
If that "you" is me then that was a bit uncalled for. I've used one post to take up something I see as a problem and one to answer Vinz's question, it's not as if I bang on about it. I only ask that you listen to me (which you have), if you follow my advice is of course up to the Co13.

I was only making a jibe at the tone that was being used :( . This, after all, is a thread titled "The unfortunate editing habits of moderators" with statements such as: "Either something is worth to post, then post it. If it's not worth to post it, then don't" and "Don't edit, post an answer in the thread instead. I'm a mod on a couple of other forums (Herdstone and COTEC) and I wouldn't edit someone's post without telling them, I think that's rude." :D

I couldn't help noticing that it was coming across a bit blunt and managerial, that's all. But hey everyone has a different perspective on etiquette. And yes, regardless of delivery the point is still valid and duly noted.


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