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| Skrik Skrik Assassin | 17th October 2011 - 04:48 AM Post #1 |
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Lords -Queek Headtaker (215) -Lvl. Grey Seer (440) -Screaming Bell Heroes -Death-master Snikch (270) -Lvl. 2 Warlock Engineer (165) -Warlock Augmented Halberd -Warpenergy Condenser -Assassin (130) -Smoke Bombs Core -40X Clanrats (255) -Spears -Full Command -Ratling Gun -20X Clanrats (165) -Full Command -Poisoned Wind Mortar -20X Clanrats (170) -Full Command -Warpfire Thrower -20X Stormvermin (215) -Full Command -20X Stormvermin (275) -Full Command -Banner = Shroud of Dripping Death -+1 WS -+1 S -5X Ratswarms (125) Special -3X Rat Ogres (231) -+1 Master-Bred Rat Ogre -1X Packmaster -+1 Master Moulder -Electrowhip -7X Gutter Runners (238) - Poisoned Attacks -+1 Death Runner -Whirling blade -Warpgrinder -9X Warplock Jezzails (210) -+1 Sharpshooter Rare -Hell Pit Abomination (250) -Warpstone Spikes -2X Doomwheel (300) -Warp-Lightning Cannon (90) |
| The man-things killed my father I will hunt-kill them all. This I promise to the Great Horned Rat. The man-things of Nuln shall perish by MY POISON! | |
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| Mathusala0 | 17th October 2011 - 05:17 AM Post #2 |
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*sigh*.............. your taking queek but no queekvermin, you have a naked seer on a bell (which is ok) you have the deathmaster who is worse than a normal assassin. you have a warlock with a warlock weapon. you have a SECOND assassin who you actually gave smoke bombs to, (meaning he is useless in combat) the only unit that is properly sized also has spears. you also took rattling guns, which, as discussed numorous times in these forums are highly inacurate not to mention not effective compared to the other weapon teams. your 20 man units would be great in 7th, unfortunately the way to go in 8th is big units. that means 30 as the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. 40 is more preferred, 50 would be better. all clanrats should have shields. the 2 storm vermin units should be one unit. i havent looked at ratswarms in a long time but my automatic assumption is that skaven slaves would be far more effective and cheaper. rat ogres are not fantastic, adding master moulders to them is a huge waste. as is giving them any equipment. all the upgrades on the gutter runners besides poison are irrelevant, drop all that junk and buy slings. jezzails are on the bad side of the skaven book, buying a sharpshooter upgrade is also not worth it even if the jezzails were. (which they arent) your rares are fine but the whole list is drastically lacking in models. I highly encourage you to take a look at some of the other lists out there. sorry if this is at all harsh (im aware its 12:18 and i have been playing warhammer all day) but i think you'll see some key differences ![]() Edited by Mathusala0, 17th October 2011 - 05:19 AM.
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| Borgomos | 17th October 2011 - 01:21 PM Post #3 |
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I'd say in 2000+ games even 30 won't cut it for your infantry. A single template can reduce 30 Skaven infantry to something negligible. 40 is a good number for every rank/file we have. I am also surprised by the lack of Queekvermin. They are part of the reason he's actually playable, for Q.vermin are basically Bloodletters with crappier saves and no Killing Blow for the same points which is pretty damn good for Skaven. Assassin with no fighty gear,ratling guns, Deathmaster, Gutter Runner upgrades that are not poison/slings, master moulders and rat ogre units are all underwhelming choices As Mathu said, add your units up to form bigger blocks. Ditch the Deathmaster for Assassin with Weeping Blades+Potion of Strengh. Ditch that smoke bomb Assassin. Buy Queek-vermin Upgrade. Poison+Slings on them gutter runners. Ditch the weapon and get the engineer some real toys. Rat Swarms are indeed not good. The swarm(unstable) rules mean that they can't tie anything for long, and have none of the benefits that our slaves enjoy. They also hit with str2, which is...lower than anything else in the book. |
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| Skrik Skrik Assassin | 17th October 2011 - 11:21 PM Post #4 |
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Thank you for the tips and i do have QueekVermin (that would be the set with the plus 1 WS and S) ill edit this and post a revised version later. |
| The man-things killed my father I will hunt-kill them all. This I promise to the Great Horned Rat. The man-things of Nuln shall perish by MY POISON! | |
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| Skrik Skrik Assassin | 19th October 2011 - 12:42 AM Post #5 |
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According to my copy of the skaven AB states that spears give the unit an extra rank of cc attacks. That's the only reason they received spears. As well one of the twenty man Clanrats had the intention of pushing the bell. |
| The man-things killed my father I will hunt-kill them all. This I promise to the Great Horned Rat. The man-things of Nuln shall perish by MY POISON! | |
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| Mathusala0 | 19th October 2011 - 02:27 AM Post #6 |
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it gives them an extra rank of close combat attacks yes, but it also makes you lose the parry rule. and 1 rank of attacks is nothing spectaculer. 20 guys pushing the bell will got shot up (or rung up har har) so fast the the bell will stop moving, you dont want the to happen, while the bell unit can be smaller it still needs at least 30 models |
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| Skrik Skrik Assassin | 19th October 2011 - 02:38 AM Post #7 |
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Revised List 1 Heroes - Queek Headtaker (215) - Lvl. 4 Grey Seer (440) - Screaming Bell Lords - Lvl 2 Warlock Engineer (145) - Warp-energy Condenser - Dispel Scroll - Lvl 2 Warlock Engineer (135) - Warpmusket - Warlock Optics - Assassin (150) - Weeping Blade Core - 40X Clanrats (270) - Shields - Full Command - Warpfire Thrower - 40X Clanrats (265) - Shields - Full Command - Poisoned Wind Mortar - 40X Clanrats (200) - Shields - Full Command - 20X Queekvermin (295) - Full Command - Storm Banner - 40X Stormvermin (335) - Full Command - Shroud of Dripping Death - 50X Skaven Slaves (131) Specail - 4X Rat Ogres (231( - Master Bred Ogre - 1X Packmaster - Master Moulder - Electro-Whip - Warplock Jezzails (210) - Sharpshooter Rare - Hell Pit Abomination (250) - Warpstone Spikes - 2X Doomwheel (300) - Warp-Lightning Cannon (90) The 40 rat Clanrat unit without a weapons team is intended to push the bell Edited by Skrik Skrik Assassin, 19th October 2011 - 02:40 AM.
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| The man-things killed my father I will hunt-kill them all. This I promise to the Great Horned Rat. The man-things of Nuln shall perish by MY POISON! | |
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| Mathusala0 | 19th October 2011 - 04:41 AM Post #8 |
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For starters, only one unit of stormvermin may take a magic banner, and then, again, - Warpmusket X - Warlock Optics X Get ride of these, they are pointless. in addition, drop his level 2 and buy him a doom rocket or some other toys that actually do damage the assassin is much better now. clanrat units are proper sizes, queekvermin could be a bit bigger. - Master Bred Ogre X - 1X Packmaster - Master Moulder X - Electro-Whip X drop everything but the pack master, master moulders are a waste of points. - Warplock Jezzails (210) X - Sharpshooter X Personally id drop these and buy 210 points of more queek vermin. considerably better but plenty of room to improve |
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| Skrik Skrik Assassin | 21st October 2011 - 12:35 AM Post #9 |
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If i Dropped one of the warlocks lvl. 2 and gave him the following: - Warlock Engineer ---- Warpmusket ---- Warlock Optics ---- Doom-Rocket Would that be a feasible replacement to: - Warlock Engineer ---- Warpmusket ---- Warlock Optics ---- Lvl. 2 Mage |
| The man-things killed my father I will hunt-kill them all. This I promise to the Great Horned Rat. The man-things of Nuln shall perish by MY POISON! | |
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| Mathusala0 | 21st October 2011 - 12:39 AM Post #10 |
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try - Warlock Engineer ---- Doom-Rocket YOU DO NOT NEED OPTICS AND A MUSKET!!!! |
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