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Topic Started: 15th October 2011 - 05:33 AM (191 Views)
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G'day everyone :D
I am a very new user this forum, 8th edition and Skaven as a whole, though I do consider myself a fast learner in terms of tactics and rules so I am ready for all the flack and suggestions you can give me ^_^ (or maybe some warpstone if you feeling particulary generous :rolleyes: ) I haven't yet to get any models, though my plan is to buy the IOB set (giving me all the basic essentials in terms of the little BRB), swap the high elves for some more skaven from a friends IOB, an extra box of clanrats and of course the army book! Now this is where I am having trouble and what I need help with, because I like every model and don't have the money to purchase them all! So all advice on what I should change, consider and especially what to buy to help me expand to 2000 points would be very very helpful! So here is my very first skaven list, starting off at 1000 points:
HEROES:
Warlock Engineer - 53
-Warplock Pistol
-Doomrocket

Warlock engineer - 85
-Level 1
-Warp Energy Condenser

Chieftan BSB - 74
-Shield
-Halberd

CORE
30 clan rats - 225
-Full command
-Shields
-Warpfirethrower

30 clan rats - 235
-Full commande
-Shields
-Spears
-PWM

40 slaves - 82
-Musician

RARE
WLC - 90
Doomwheel - 150

1000 points on the dot.

Now I have yet to buy anything but this is the plan, so if I am misguided please save me :P I do want to be competitive (have some pretty hardcore players) but I also want to have a lot of fun! Reason I went Skaven in the first place...we can have both :D I'm not to sure about the rare's...Should I have one or the other? Using the left over points for something else? Or perphaps use an A-BOMB :rolleyes: ? Please pick it apart, give me any advice on tactics you would like to share and yeah, that's about it! Thank you in advance!
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You show compitence that most newcomers do not show applauds,

you win the second ever mathusala0 award for being a newb but also presenting a competent list.

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Pistol is irrelevent. you most likely will not get to fire it. and when you do your already at a 50/50 chance of hitting.

getting a better general would be ideal, warlocks do not make ideal leaders (although at 1000 points they can be alright so long as you have a bsb [which you do])

Bsb should have EITHER the shield OR the halbard. having both means that the shield only gives him 1 armor against shooting attacks (which he is safe from so long as he stays in a unit)

spears on clanrats is highly un-recommended. having 5-10 extra S3 attacks is not as good as the 6+ wardsave in close combat

use the points to give shields to your slaves, gives them a 6+ 6+ in close combat (not bad for 1/2 a point

As for tactics, going ahead youll find that everyone will have slightly varied oppions on what works and what doesnt. PERSONALLY I can recommend and help with castle formation style lists. http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/topic/1175652/5/#new but youll find that many other styles of list work well.

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Shields and Halberds don't combo well most of the time but since you really don't have any other protection it could be worth it more than just another Slave. Math covered this better.

It sure looks interesting and I (and probably other guys around here) will like to know how it works out for you. The Doomwheel plus WLC should do very well in such a low points game and the one Slave unit should be enough most of the time. As many people will say, Spears are not very ideal on Clanrats since they get better +/- Combat Resolution from saving the extra Clanrats and you have to pay it on top.
Edited by Scarr, Reincarnated, 15th October 2011 - 05:54 AM.
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15th October 2011 - 05:47 AM
You show compitence that most newcomers do not show applauds,

you win the second ever mathusala0 award for being a newb but also presenting a competent list.

notes:

Pistol is irrelevent. you most likely will not get to fire it. and when you do your already at a 50/50 chance of hitting.

getting a better general would be ideal, warlocks do not make ideal leaders (although at 1000 points they can be alright so long as you have a bsb [which you do])

Bsb should have EITHER the shield OR the halbard. having both means that the shield only gives him 1 armor against shooting attacks (which he is safe from so long as he stays in a unit)

spears on clanrats is highly un-recommended. having 5-10 extra S3 attacks is not as good as the 6+ wardsave in close combat

use the points to give shields to your slaves, gives them a 6+ 6+ in close combat (not bad for 1/2 a point

As for tactics, going ahead youll find that everyone will have slightly varied oppions on what works and what doesnt. PERSONALLY I can recommend and help with castle formation style lists. http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/topic/1175652/5/#new but youll find that many other styles of list work well.

Ah I feel honoured good sir :$ ok so pistol is pointless, should I give the warlock something else then to make him useful after firing the doom rocket? Perhaps having two lv 1's running about? Or is it just worth it to use him as a suicide rocketeer, or even giving the rocket to my other warlock, find some points elsewhere in the list to get an extra chieftain with armour and have him as my general? I'm just not sure on how to work a general in a 1000 point list with the bsb and a support character :(
I see what you mean with the shield or halberd thing, what would be better for the BSB? In the case of the spears, would it just be a better idea to convert the spears that come in the IOB set into hand weapons? that would free up the points for more shields for the slaves... or is it worth just getting 10 more slaves if I can?
Oh and thank you for the link, I definitely like the idea of that, because I very much want the screaming bell at some point, that model is just amazing! and an awesome centrepiece :)
- "Do not believe in me who believes in you, do not believe in you who believes in me, but believe in you who believes in yourself! DUMBASS!"
~Dark Eldar- Pirates of the Crystal Moon - 2000 points
~Pre-heresy Luna Wolves- WIP!
~ :cheese: SKAVEN :cheese: - 1000 points and growing, just have assassinate a few warlords to get my way...need more cheese...
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pistol is pointless, It is not pointless they just aren't good range if you keep him behind a unit of slaves in combat and he keeps firing into the combat he can plug a few. Skitterleaping a warlock behind heavily armoured knights and killing a knight is well worth the cost of a pistol. Though this is not easy to pull of and survive.

should I give the warlock something:- level 1 is always good throw one dice at warplightning and on a 5or 6 it casts do that a few times and it really annoys people lol.

Perhaps having two lv 1's running about? Yeah the more the better!

extra chieftain with armour and have him as my general? Possibly a good idea. But in 1k I wouldn't be too fussed about it.

what would be better for the BSB? Give him some armour so he services

In the case of the spears, would it just be a better idea to convert the spears that come in the IOB set into hand weapons? that would free up the points for more shields for the slaves. Chop the spears down death by pointy stick! Shields are a lot better than spears.
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if you give the doom rocket to the level 1 engineer (who realistically doesnt need to be level 2) you can drop the other one altogether, but it only saves you 15 points :/

the bsb normally likes having a 4+ armor with a 6+ ward in close combat ;)

do the conversion, or if you dont have to money or time explain it to your opponents beforehand.

the "slave bodies vs shields" is a hefty debate with multiple threads. basically it comes down to slaves with shields are better verses anything S#, more bodies are better for anything S4 or better. personally, i prefer shields but as stated, its debatable.

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Yes it is. A good thing about the shield though is it stops the round of combat being super predictable you can some times hold a unit that you shouldn't which can often stop the enemies plans working completely because you held or even better you actually won.
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Ok I see what you all mean by the shields thing, my main opponents are two WOC (one khorne, one tzeench) as well as empire, tomb kings and ogres, all are pretty heavy on the crushing side so it might be a good idea I guess to go for the shields rather then more bodies, unles of course I am misguided :P and ye sit will be very easy to convert the spears into hand weapons, so that will be fine :D So
If I take out the pistol, halberd and the warlock (giving the doomrocket to the other warlock) I would have 25 points left, would it be a better idea to give the BSB some sort of magic banner? If so which one do you think?
- "Do not believe in me who believes in you, do not believe in you who believes in me, but believe in you who believes in yourself! DUMBASS!"
~Dark Eldar- Pirates of the Crystal Moon - 2000 points
~Pre-heresy Luna Wolves- WIP!
~ :cheese: SKAVEN :cheese: - 1000 points and growing, just have assassinate a few warlords to get my way...need more cheese...
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the ideal banner would be the storm banner, unfortunately you dont have the points, in addition all of your heavy damage is coming out of shooting attacks, so id think it wiser to give him 25 points of magic garb.
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Ok, that seems the way to go, thank you! I shall try out the list in a fortnight once I have the models all built up, I'll post up a battle report! Thank for all the help :D
- "Do not believe in me who believes in you, do not believe in you who believes in me, but believe in you who believes in yourself! DUMBASS!"
~Dark Eldar- Pirates of the Crystal Moon - 2000 points
~Pre-heresy Luna Wolves- WIP!
~ :cheese: SKAVEN :cheese: - 1000 points and growing, just have assassinate a few warlords to get my way...need more cheese...
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