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Just got a load of marauder plague monks; Unit size?
Topic Started: 22nd August 2011 - 05:14 PM (1,192 Views)
Meskit Warpclaw
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Ok so as the topic says, I just received 25 of the old maruader plague monks which weren't cheap to be honest but I still feel I got a good deal!

Now I'm wondering what size units of plague monks people normally field? And how many in an army?

I'm actually wanting to build a pestilent brotherhood clan so could I use this thread to also ask my stinky brethren what pestilent list would look like at say 2000/2500 points? I'm relatively new to skaven a d actually I've only just started with fantasy so some advice on how to build a solid pestilent list would really be appreciated. Are the Plague catapults any good also? What about slaves, clan rats, storm vermin? Or is a pestilent list just plague monks and censer bearers?

So yeah, if anyone could point me in the right direction of how to build a pestilent list and also give me some idea of what the numbers I should be using in units (particulary plague monks and censer bearers)
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If you want real-real only pestilent then it'll look like this:

Skrolk
2 Plaque furnesses
Plaque monks
PCB
PCC

If you want a normal pestilent based army consider this (with a good painting sheme):

Plaque portifex ( grey seer with Plaque spells (optinal 13th)
Plaquelord (warlord on great pox rat) (possibly on a cauldron of thousand poxes (war-litter))
Plaque priests
Plaque chiefs (chieftains)

Pestilens slaves
Pestilens clanrats
Plaquevermin (stormvermin)
PWM 's
Plaqued rat swarms
Lustria rats (giant rats)

Plaque monks
PCB (these arent good so don't go all to heavy on them)
Rotten Rogres

Plaqueclaws
Abomination of grant plaques

Vew things unreasonable:
Doomwheels
Jezzails
Warp ligthing cannons

FOR THE GLORY OF THE HORNED RAT OF COURSE!

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A blood curling cough a day, keeps the assassins away

I mostly field 35-45 plague monks, 35 mostly with a furnace (and in Horde). I also try to to put some monks between my normal clanrats to represent my army being a pestilence aligned force. Censer bearers are something i wouldn't recommand, they are rather fragile with their I3 no saves and because of the step up rules. You won't break through units because of their steadfast so they require alot more tactical thought.

As for slaves, pestilence armies have pusbugs. They kind of resemble slaves, since they are used and regareded as the lowest and most expendable rats around (generally a contagious bunch aswell so a good kamikazi troop :P ). Disease carrying giant rats of flailf swinging rat ogres wearing cloth to resemble a plague monk look it's all rather common in a pestilence army. Clan rats are very rare in a Clan pestilence army, other pestilence bortherhood clans (Septik, Moribdus, ...) do have clanrats so you can pretty much go your own way on this one. The catapult is good against low T high AS infantry units especially elves hate seeing one of those.(i'd combo this with the wither spell and possibly the sacred standerd of the horned rat. provided the storm banner is already in your army).

Flem,

Mutate: Willqueek seriously.... Clan pestilence seers? You're lucky our pestilence counsil member hasn't already used you for his cauldron ! Clan pestilence doesn't trust seers, they believe that grey seers are misleading all of skavendom. Leading them away from the true face of the horned rat, the face of pestilence and disease. After making such a post one isn't even worthy of my phlegm ! (Yes i made a word pun, to take away the intimidating nature of my mutate ^-^ ) :ph43r:
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Meskit Warpclaw
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I am going to be building a pestilent clan but I also will be using other units from other clans along with them. I have gotten some of the old metal gutter runners for instance which I want to use so do you think I should just run them as hired from eshin or should I make my own plague assassins which use the eshin assassin rules but with my own fluff and filthy paint job?

I'm glad I've been warned about the censor bearers before I spent too much money on them, I thought they were a good unit by the looks of them!

Ps, a plaguelord on a giant rat. I'm guessing I'd use the nurglitch mini for this? Also when you say on a cauldron of 1000 poxes, any suggestions on making one of these one of these? Also do you mean the lord on the cauldron and then on top of the rat?
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A blood curling cough a day, keeps the assassins away

For the cauldron there's a rather cool idea based on the empire steamtank that you could find on google.
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I don't know if you have the Unifroms & heraldry book at your disposal or not. In case you have take a look at clan Septik. Personally i imagine clan Pestilens to deploy these zealots in the sewers. So myself i have started to make 'Sewer runners' to represent gutter runners(should so put this in my army blog :P) . given a filthy look and rusty blades and some hoods and robes to give a little Pestilence feeling. Some of the spare plague monk heads or just greenstuff can do wonders for this.

Willqueek meant that you use a cauldron as a warlitter. So making it carried by other Skaven (perferably plague monks :p). As for the giant rat if you don't want to greenstuff one nurglitch is indeed a solid choice.

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No flem that's an rearry a epic model :) But i ment the caukdron shown in the lustria expension. (google it)
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I don't have the uniforms and heraldry book, it was on eBay the other week for buy now and while I was pondering over buying it, someone else snuck in quick-quick and stole it from under my snout.

I was going to buy the Lustria campaign book too just to own it as I like books but I didn't know what was in it really. Is it worth getting do you think, does it have some nice conversions and stuff in it?

I think I'm gonna plague some plague runners or something like that. I have 15 of the metal ones as I heard the new plastics are as ugly as those hell-pit blasphemers and I love all the older metal sculpts. I haven't received them yet but I think with a bit of the old GS they could be suitably pox ridden. I've got loads of practice from both my nurgle armies, I love sculpting decay and tumours.
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Seeing as you have experience with scultping those i really don't see a problem to convert those metal gutter runners :-)

As for the Lustria book: It has some cool models and idea's to create pestilence troops and even a cool book to play the occasional fun battle. The terrain rules are just fantastic and really add towards he game. It also has some cool stories and alot of fluff (not only about clan pestilens but also about those darn sotek snakes) and of how the two factions battled. Personally i think it'salso one of the best campaign books GW has writen thus far for warhammer fantasy.

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I wouldn't mind reading up on the lizard people as I haven't read anything about them so far, I know nothing about them and that isn't too good as I'm bound to have to kill them one day. Once I get to reading the second Thanquol novel I'm pretty sure that's full of vile lizards.

As for converting the metal runners, it would be a pretty sweet project actually. I want to have a full pestilent themed army but don't want to be restricted to clan pestilens units so I'll probably be making plagued up versions of a lot of stuff. Have you done much converting of none pestilent units into pestilent units? I'd love to hear of some examples to draw a bit of inspiration from!
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I didn't really convert / sculpt that much as i'm playing clan Flem and not pestilens (Flem is a warlord clan that is part of the pestilence brotherhoord btw ;-) ). I did convert some slaves to have fungus / buboes on them, especially my flaglant human slaves as some of the clanrats already have a bit of a pestilens look. Also used dirty bases and dirty clothing. The giant rats from the plague monk sprue have some festering ones between them, they do wonders if you want to 'plague up' a unit.

My Giant rats are fully converted though. I used a Plague monk as packmaster giving him a whip and that ghoul arm that is holding a dead body (cause rats need food you know :P ). The rats didn't need that much converting except for some buboes, festering eyes and decaying tails.

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...you can still call me Rusty Tincanne if you want, though.

@ Meskit: Welcome to the UE.net, and in particular, the Pestilens brotherhood. *hands out "Pestilens Welcoming Kit" and door prizes, including a rusty syringe full of C.diff and a set of pre-soiled bandages for your snout (breathe deeply to reap all the benefits)*

The Lustria Book is nice for what it is: a campaign book with out-of-date rules and army lists with tips for painting and converting things to look all Lustrified. The offered Bubonic Court of Nurglitch (BCoN) is a historical army representing the earliest days of Clan Pestilens. It was magic- and close combat-heavy, but no shooting. I played that list exclusively while it was valid, so I cannot offer much of a comparison other than to say it did not fare well against ratling guns and the frenzied nature allowed my army to get lead all over the place. Fun none-the-less. The conversions shown are not too, too stellar. There were better Cauldrons shown on the GW site, though the pics are gone now.

A modern Bubonic Court list will not be so limited. Pestilens has been on the mainland for a looong time now, and it would not be difficult to come up with fluff to support most any units, though even if you are a purist, the newest book has so many Pestilens toys that you do not really need anything else. That said, if you do use other units, do it like you intend to do with the gutter runners: use greenstuff to add boils and rags and paint them appropriately. Also, force yourself to pay for the fluffy add-ons for your list: poisoned weapons, appropriate banners (ear and terror causing), little-to-no armour. If you get Death Frenzy as a spell, cast it on all your units!

As mentioned, the PCC is a great weapon against low toughness units, so take some hero/lord that can cast Wither.

There is no Cauldron avaolable at this point, but the Plague Furnace is a stellar mini and is great in combat.

I still love my Plague Monks. I have 21 of them (5th edition minis) from when I ran a BCoN. Definitely do not use them all at this point, but I would not hesitate to use 2 units of 8 in a 2.5K list. Even if you do not use them, the minis make great Plague Priests:
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Look forward to seeing soe of your minis and conversions in teh Painting and Hobby section!
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