| question about multiple combats and combat resolution | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 12th August 2011 - 05:14 AM (244 Views) | |
| Firby | 12th August 2011 - 05:14 AM Post #1 |
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Chieftain
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Hey guys, the rulebook was kinda vague on this, and i wasnt sure. lets say that my opponent has a unit of empire spearmen. I charge his front with some skavenslaves, the left flank with an hpa, and their rear with some clanrats. Now, the combat is resolved as a collective whole, right? from highest init to lowest. but then combat resolution confuses me. Is there one single cr for all 4 units, or do u work out a seperate cr for each unit? Either way makes not much sense. For example, if there is only one cr, the skavenslaves are gonna drop like flies, so if opponent kills 10 slaves, thats 10 points of cr against my hpa! if this is the case, how can i expect to win any combat involving a slave tarpit? Or, on the other hand, if there are seperate crs for all units, some of the rules make little sense. Only one banner can add to cr, so do i choose which unit gets the bonus? Only one cr point for flank charge... etc.. all these things make no sense unless there is only one, all encompassing cr. But if there is only one, all encompassing cr, then any combat involving slaves is almost doomed to fail. Maybe im missing something. Somebody please help! Thanks. |
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| Krogholt | 12th August 2011 - 06:14 AM Post #2 |
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Chieftain
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Your last option is the correct interpretation. In a combined combat, you sum up all the results, and apply that single result to each of the units involved. So either you win combat, and all of your units stays, or you loose, and you have to take a break test (with the same CR modifier) for each of your units involved. That's why you have to be carefull about what units you put into a combat. Especially in a case such as you described. I once had a unit of 50 slaves charge combo-charge a unit of 12 chaos warriors with a HPA. The slaves killed none, the warriors killed 2-3 slaves (extremely lucky for me), and my HPA had the attack where it hit every model in base-to-base contact. Unfortunately that was 2 warriors, and 6 slaves The end result was that I lost combat because I had killed a bunch of my own slaves with my HPA, followed by my HPA fleeing of the table - while the slaves held because they were steadfast :S You see the same thing if you're playing with (or against) VC. They can use zombies much like we can use slaves, but they never get their zombies into a combat with some of their better troops. If they do, the enemy will just direct their attacks at the zombies for easy CR, which in turn will cause their elite troops to crumble because they lost combat. Hope that helped
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| koffietje | 12th August 2011 - 06:56 AM Post #3 |
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Warlord
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Correct me if i m wrong... But when you calculate combat resolution, you dont count your casualties. You count the amount of wounds inflicted. On page 52 of my mini rulebook (thanks to Island of blood ), it says "+1 combat result for each wound inflicted" So if your beautiful , powerfull, wonderfull HPA succeeds in demolishing 6 of those slaves dumb enough to run under his paws... then your brave HPA gives you an additional 6 cr. As in the logical sense of this... what if your enemy is so self confident that he shows up in front of you and first chews up 6 of his own soldiers (slaves in this case) before even taking a first glimpse at you. The first thing that comes to mind in your enemies head is "we re screwed". And the second thing that comes to mind would be "maybe he ll eat so many of his own troops, that he wont be hungry anymore and we can make a flee for it." Unless your enemy is Skaven too, in which case the second thought in their mind would be "hey... i m hungry too, you know..." |
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| Krogholt | 12th August 2011 - 10:27 AM Post #4 |
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Chieftain
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@koffietje: I don't have my rulebook with me, but if your quote is correct you may actually be right. I had always thought of it as "wounds suffered = - CR", not "wounds caused = + CR".... hmmm... I'll just make a new topic with this question to get some attention to it. Edit: Linky -> http://s6.zetaboards.com/The_UnderEmpire/topic/8758958/1/ Edited by Krogholt, 12th August 2011 - 10:35 AM.
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