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0+ Armor Save?; Is it legal?
Topic Started: 9th August 2011 - 03:20 PM (1,267 Views)
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Armour is capped (sowwy cap :P ) at 1+ so you can have 0+ but it'll still fail on a 1....... sign we all say it :RB: :RB: :RB:
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I don't get it how this thread took 2 pages. I think CapArm05 fully covered the issue. Even if he hadn't (which he did), what would a 0+ Armour Save mean? That now the WoC is what? Immortal? No! You don't become a God because a God favors you... A "1" is a fail. Always was, always will be... B)
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But as stated earlier, a 0+ Save still has an advantage over 1+ and 2+ saves becuase they can take up to a S 5 hit and still only fail armour rolls on a roll of 1+, so having a 0+ save isn't as redundant as it sounds.
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Just take a no saves allowed sword 1+ this :P
SkavenDan
9th August 2011 - 03:23 PM
The army book takes present so he can have a 0+ but a 1 always fails to save.
Plus I am fairly sure nothing has changed from what I said originally.
Edited by SkavenDan, 15th August 2011 - 10:34 PM.
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Ok, again because some people appear to be skimming over my previous explanation of why a 0+ mattered..... There are benefits to having better than 2+ armor saves:

Yes you always fail on a 1 whether you have a 0+ or a 2+. That's a given, but where the 1+ and 0+ become better is they can ignore more negative modifiers than a simple 2+ save can.

Str 5 hitting (-2) a 2+ leaves the wearer with a 4+ save (now failing on 1's, 2's, 3's).

Str 5 hitting (-2) a 1+ leaves the wearer with a 3+ save (now failing on 1's and 2's).

Str 5 hitting (-2) a 0+ leaves the wearer with a 2+ save (still only failing on 1's)

Notice the drastic survivability against armor modifiers? A 0+ save has to be hit with Str 6 (that's a negative 3) or more in order to actually reduce their survivability. That makes them incredibly tough to kill if your basic troops only have access to strength 5 or less attacks in close combat.

A 0+ still fails on a 1, but it takes a hell of a lot more strength/modifiers in order to get them to fail on 2's, or 3's or 4's.

MTTE: Again; Yes, a 0+ is possible to have, if your Armybook specifically says "so-and-so can gain a 0+ save"

Reference the WOC Armybook book stating the Eye of the Gods can grant a 0+
and
Page 11 of the 8th Edition Rule Book (stating if a rule disagrees with something published in an Armybook, the Armybook trumps it; in this case the 1+ armor cap)
thus
Warriors of Chaos who roll good on the Eye of the Gods can have a 0+ save.

--Cap
Edited by CapAmr05, 16th August 2011 - 12:48 PM.
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