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Citadel Finecast Range; Release and price list
Topic Started: 18th May 2011 - 02:14 AM (5,422 Views)
Vermilitch Varquol
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The issue I have with the resin kits these days are how many of them are malformed and the such. I bought a Queek Headtaker last week and was suprised to find the divet on his back and the hole for his right arm were not formed properly. I asked around the local gaming community and it seems in one extreme case a particular store called The Strat had a 50% return on all of its resin kits sold. My friend bought 4 different models for his various armies, one of them was miscast and the store manager told him to take another one off the shelf, went and grabbed one only to throw it over to the manager as that one was also screwed up.

A lot of players from my area have stopped buying the finecast until GW can have some better quality control. So basically after hearing all that I stated before, I looked at the Jezzails box and couldn't help, but think that there is a good chance that say 1 out of the 3 models will be messed up in some way or another ON TOP of being overpriced. I have 7 teams and a box of 3 would be just perfect for the nice round number of 10, but at $50?! I was fine with buying the metal teams and was overjoyed at first to hear about resin teams, but now....now all I want to do is cry like a little child for my good ol' metal models.
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scratch build em/mod other skaven to be them, hell, as soon as I get some green stuff I'mma work on a custom skryre R.O. and I add alot of metal bits from some other game I got some free stuff for to mod things, you might try the same.
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Hellpit Bob
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I recently converted 20 Gutter runners using Clan rats and the slingarms sprues (metal arms). I've ordered some Kroot rifles/arms for converting more Clan rats into Jezzail teams. I would rather do this than pay the ridiculous, greedy prices that GW levy on us all. We all know they are using metal molds for this Finecast range, and we all know the saving using resin/plastic alloys over metal must be considerable to justify them even making the move away from metal in the first place. Obviously, they are packaging things differently, and advertising the Finecast range, but this could've been absorbed by the company without them putting prices up to pay for it.
GW are plain greedy, alloying a production saving to a price hike is heinous. I hope some games manufacturer comes up with better minis and a better rules system, just so that I can take my money somewhere else. Privateer press and others are coming close now.....and about time too.

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Seiyru
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12th July 2011 - 10:59 AM
I recently converted 20 Gutter runners using Clan rats and the slingarms sprues (metal arms). I've ordered some Kroot rifles/arms for converting more Clan rats into Jezzail teams. I would rather do this than pay the ridiculous, greedy prices that GW levy on us all. We all know they are using metal molds for this Finecast range, and we all know the saving using resin/plastic alloys over metal must be considerable to justify them even making the move away from metal in the first place. Obviously, they are packaging things differently, and advertising the Finecast range, but this could've been absorbed by the company without them putting prices up to pay for it.
GW are plain greedy, alloying a production saving to a price hike is heinous. I hope some games manufacturer comes up with better minis and a better rules system, just so that I can take my money somewhere else. Privateer press and others are coming close now.....and about time too.

Pissed Bob.
firstly i agree with bob - making your own jezzails is way more fun than buying 3 at that price
second - Games workshop is and always will be a business, its sole purpose and goal is to make money right? you've gotta see this from the point of view seriously. is any company in this world likely to absorb the increase in pricing for advertising or new packaging? hell no.
they make the boxes and packages look more attractive to the eye therefore suckering you into buying it.
ive seen maybe a couple of handfuls of people on forums boycotting buying these models solely from the price hike.
however from spending time in my local GW store and seeing the explosion of purchases taking place its quite clear that the price hike (from a GW perspective) was a bold yet very benficial move on there part.
if one shop doubles its turnover in a month, think of what the other bigger stores are doing in regards to there turnover.
simply put GW is out to make money, thats what they do as a business and we dont exactly have to like it but its clearly paid off for them
Edited by Seiyru, 12th July 2011 - 01:41 PM.
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CurseoftheHornedSheep
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So, this resin is $0.74 per pound, eh?

Anybody have some Blood Knights they can weigh so we can do the math on how profoundly stupid their markup is? :P
Edited by CurseoftheHornedSheep, 12th July 2011 - 03:19 PM.
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GW is a business and none of us want the otherwise. But its called marketing. And since we are pissed it is bad marketing. And for god sake buy an enginner to make thoose resin models right! Even i know what is the mistake they are doing with resin...

Oh and didint anyone know rising prices on a constant base will always make you loose your support from your loyal customers? It is hobby and we are doing it willingly. Which means its not the cure of cancer so if we get pissed off enough we all can quit. Without the loyal customers, new customers flow will begin to drop.

For another way of better profits is to go out worldwide. There is no GW store in my country, neither a book in my own lang. This would give them a real boost to go out countries like that...
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This is a stupid rise for some only slightly better quality models but they need profit. The are a business and if you look deep almost everything is bought for a tiny amount. If they recycled it would be cheaper and they could easily buy some sprues back. That would mean money for them and us. It works two ways. Maybe then they wouldn't have to rise the prices and they would drop them.
Edited by avenger649, 12th July 2011 - 06:27 PM.
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Seiyru
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keep in mind its not also straight resin.
it is a resin plastic, as in they've had to make it in a way that it is safe to drill etc without killing people off :P
so probably marginally more expensive than $0.74 per pound but still thats irrelavant
@DNA Maniac
again i go into this business thing - opening up a new shop increases overheads for a company
(new building or buying/renting building, new staff and possibly training)
translating an entire rulebook into your native tongue or any other - still gotta pay people to do it.
no company wants to spend money if they dont have to - and in the current economic climate i couldnt actually blame them
i'd put the imperfect mini's down to lack of experiance on GWs part since its a new range of material for them
@avenger649
Scrap plastic - is worth pittons
its just not worth doing dude
Seriously most of you are thinking about how this effects your pockets (and dont get me wrong i domt like spending my hard earned money either)
so if average joe doesnt want to fork out money to pay then why should a multimillion dollar company do it?
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14th July 2011 - 12:38 PM
Scrap plastic - is worth pittons
its just not worth doing dude
They used to do it and in the long term it would save them money. Even if we only got 10 pence per sprue that could still save a couple of pounds. Besides, as a business it aids them because they will save money. That in theory means cheaper prices after bit.

You are talking of them as a business that needs to get money. It is not just how much is spent but how much their turnover is. That is affected by manufacturing costs and environmental costs.
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Seiyru
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14th July 2011 - 05:59 PM
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14th July 2011 - 12:38 PM
Scrap plastic - is worth pittons
its just not worth doing dude
They used to do it and in the long term it would save them money. Even if we only got 10 pence per sprue that could still save a couple of pounds. Besides, as a business it aids them because they will save money. That in theory means cheaper prices after bit.

You are talking of them as a business that needs to get money. It is not just how much is spent but how much their turnover is. That is affected by manufacturing costs and environmental costs.
if you factor in their costs its no longer turnover your refering to its actual profit
Turnover is based off how quickly you shift stock.
Profit is how much physical money your making, taking into account overheads like the costs you suggested
In the current economic climate recycling plastic isnt worth it. Scrap metal, thats where the money is. people steal manhole covers just for the money lol
pretty much one reason why Brits are asked to recycle it because theres no money in it if someone has to pay you to take it away.
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DNA Maniac
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14th July 2011 - 12:38 PM
@DNA Maniac
again i go into this business thing - opening up a new shop increases overheads for a company
(new building or buying/renting building, new staff and possibly training)
translating an entire rulebook into your native tongue or any other - still gotta pay people to do it.
no company wants to spend money if they dont have to - and in the current economic climate i couldnt actually blame them
i'd put the imperfect mini's down to lack of experiance on GWs part since its a new range of material for them
They have to spent a bit to earn much, that what business means. There is no gw store but there are places selling gw products. so its an active market. But only for thoose who got a second lang in a good level.

What do i offer? translated books, which means really nothing at all. ( I am in the businnes i know the costs for real including printing.)

If that makes only one more gaming club like mine it means they cover the cost in a month and in my book that means good profit.
And it is not just my country, it can be done in many countries like that which means more money without rising prices.

More money & happy customers: what else a company can have more?
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I bought the Cockatrice a few hours ago. It is of fairly good quality and the detail is really good.

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In the early months it will be hit and miss production needs to iron out the process.
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I like finecast with the resin and stuff but upping the price is kinda annoying
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