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| avenger649 | 20th May 2011 - 04:33 PM Post #31 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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We will have to deal with it. Or we can lead a crusade against games workshop. Out of interest would anyone here do that or not? They may actually listen to us. |
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| Razuli | 20th May 2011 - 06:26 PM Post #32 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I'll probally just not buy anything from them until they decide that lowering prices is better, which may be never, but at least I'll still have a few hundred dollars in my pocket. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| SkavenDan | 21st May 2011 - 05:21 PM Post #33 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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No they wont perhaps if you tried a pro active campaign but people don't do that they moan and gron |
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| Stinkhair | 21st May 2011 - 06:15 PM Post #34 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Define pro-active campaign? I've stopped buying GW stuff, I've started not just not recommending but actually discouraging people interested in getting into GW games. And I'm trying to spread the word about just how massively terribad GW is as a company. What you dismiss as 'Moan and groan' is also 'Spreading the information'. Active anti-GW campaign = Stop purchasing new GW products. Tell people thinking about entry into the GW hobby not to do it. Convince others to do the same Also, interesting update. GW CEO Mark Wells has written a response to the tidal wave of complaints. It is hilarious. Trying to paint online retailers as the 'bad guys' freeloading off a customer base Games Workshop (AND ONLY GAMES WORKSHOP) created. The best bit? Yeah. You did just read what you thought you read. He's saying that companies that change their prices in line with international currency fluctuations are taking advantage of the situation, by lowering prices while keeping their profits the same. It's spin. Pure spin. Pot calling the kettle black. And it's totally transparent. It's really damn funny. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 22nd May 2011 - 09:37 AM Post #35 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Well, as much as you might not like it, Stinkhair, he is right on a few points.
Source: http://www.oanda.com/currency/historical-rates/ As you can see, over the course of five years, the currency for three major markets has decreased in value over the past five years with app. 26.6%. (Even while the USD is climbing again, and the CAD apparently having stabilized compared to their value a year ago). So, yes, their point with the currency value affecting their sales is valid, but... If I look at the prices for products here, you would see that the US market has their prices being quite correct, if you'd compare them to the British Pound, yet the Australian market is royally shafted as they pay app. 50% more then the products ought to be with the value of their currency. Now, with Australia being a huge distance from the UK, you might wonder whether shipping costs give that increase. Well, when checking the global shipping costs (and yes, this isn't the exact amount, but does give an indication), you end up with a price of app. 30 to 35 USD (which would be app. 19 to 22 GBP or 29 to 34 AUD) per kilo when using air transport. Now if I'd take a broad estimate and would say that a battle force weighs in at about a kilo, the Australians still pay more then when you'd buy it in Britian, even with shipping costs being taken into account. Eventually, I agree where his line of thoughts come from. Direct sales from their stores earns Games Workshop a larger turnover. A fully understandable point of view. What they do fail to see is that an online store has to pay for shipping costs as well, so the only thing Games Workshop would lose by sales from let's say Maelstrom is the benefit of different currencies... and that, to me, makes them people with dollar signs in their eyes. Then again, their approach to the market regarding their stores being 'hobby centres' is a low blow to lock the market down. Of course you need to invest in your product, though I don't see someone like, I don't know, Ford banning local dealers from importing their cars and selling them (and thus not from the Ford dealer itself). To follow that up with the comment that it disables them to support an LGS is utter cow-dung. Their policy towards stores wishing to sell their products is incredibly harsh, leading (at least in the Netherlands) to stores quit selling their products and instead focus on the other companies. I won't say the points from Mark Wells are completely invalid, but making GW appear to be a goody two-shoes and online stores evil incarnate is just sad. Plain and simple, sad. Greetz |
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| Olorin the Ancient | 22nd May 2011 - 10:22 AM Post #36 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Actually, I believe that Ford, like other auto manufacturers, only allows its cars to be sold in the primary market (that is to say, new) by its own authorized dealers. Anyone can sell a used (sorry, "pre-owned") Ford, just as anyone can sell GW product on eBay to anyone anywhere in the world. If, however, a retailer wishes to buy GW product from the company at resellers' prices, he must abide by GW's rules. I'm not saying, by the way, that I agree with GW's policy, but merely that GW has the legal right to impose geographical restrictions on its resellers. Personally, I'm saddened by this development, just as I was by GW's decision some years ago to cut off e-commerce for all non-GW sites. Two days ago, I received what I now realize will probably be my last-ever purchase from Maelstrom. Still, on the grand scale of objectionable GW behavior (price gouging; shutting down the valuable and much-loved GW bulletin boards; getting rid of Black Gobbo; virtually eliminating in-store events; "combining" U.S. Games Days "to make them better" and then doing a really mediocre job last year with the one they had left; neglecting not only Specialist Games, but also Lord of the Rings, which is theoretically core; etc...), this seems almost mild. |
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| Demonrat Thing | 22nd May 2011 - 11:40 AM Post #37 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Get too strict on retailers/stockists and they will just stop carrying your product, period. This to me, is a good sign that Games Workshop is going to fail. The web is the best place to sell your product nowadays and to talk as Mark has, shows me that my hobby will soon be coming to an end. Already, they've priced me out of my hobby. Now, because of their greed, they're pulling this crap. Nice. Goodbye GW. Goodbye WHFB. From now on I buy preowned until they can get their greed in check. |
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| Stinkhair | 22nd May 2011 - 03:05 PM Post #38 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I'm a bit confused as to what you're getting at, Vinz. The Uk's Pound has slid down in value over the last five years. This means that prices in the US, Australia, and Canada should have decreased in line with currency exchange rates (as GW's goods are all made in the UK?), meaning cheaper products in these territories making the same profit (in pounds) for GW as before. Instead GW have left prices in these territories at their previous values/have increased them in the same proportions, making them dispropotionately more expensive than they are compared to currency exchange rates. Companies like Maelstrom, selling goods worldwide at UK prices, take payment at the current rates of currency exchange. This made ordering from them significantly cheaper than paying the vastly inflated GW price. GW makes the same profit from Maelstrom selling to an Australian as they do selling to someone in the UK. They don't want to change prices in proportion to currency exchange rates, presumably because selling goods in Australia for 100% profit is something they quite like. So instead they are blocking the one part of their operations where currency exchange rates ARE being taken into account. Games Workshop is 'Taking advantage of these currency movements', as Mark Wells puts it, through inaction - by refusing to change prices in line with the huge shift in currency values, GW is reaping increasingly large profits from items sold. They're making much much larger profits on products sold in AUS$ because the manufacturing/design/management cost is almost totally done in the weakening GBP, falling in relation to the AUS$. As you listed in your chart, the Australian dollar has gone from £1.5310 to £2.4785 - A 61.89% increase in value. GW's manufacturing/design costs are all in GBP and have thus remained the same, so the products being sold at the same price in Aus is earning them 61.89% more money than it used to. For things to be 'fair', either UK prices need to rise by more than 60%, or AUS prices need to fall. Otherwise GW has a differing profit margins on the same product, when sold in different territories. On the note of shipping, yes, Australia is far away from the UK, but Maelstrom were shipping to Australia at prices their customers thought were reasonable. GW, when shipping, will almost certainly ship by sea (as practically all consumer products are), with a vast discount compared to shipping costs of Maelstrom and the like (Everything is cheaper en masse/in bulk). But, face facts : If GW was blocking this because online retailers undercut GW shops/other gaming shops in other regions, why are they allowing online retailers to continue selling in the UK/EU? (where they also undercut GW shops and many gaming shops). Why aren't online retailers shipping to gamers in the UK considered to be 'free-riding on the investment of Games Workshop'? In his letter, Mark Wells is claiming that online retailers are bad for the hobby as they undercut GW and local gaming stores, which are responsible for introducing people to the hobby. But the exact situation exists in the UK and EU. The reason they are blocking independent sales to other territories is simply because online retailers taking payment at current currency exchange rates are reducing their ability to reap the massively increased profits of their exchange-rate-independent pricing. They are the profiteers taking advantage of currency exchange rates. This is the only rationale that could see them force online retailers to restrict their sales to specific regions, instead of just shutting the lot down totally. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 23rd May 2011 - 08:31 AM Post #39 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Actually, having written my previous post in a period of over two hours (having had to do other things in between), I guess I kind of lost track... ![]() Bottom line indeed is that (as they also have the profit of every product Maelstrom sells, but less then when sold directly from their stores in Australia) Games Workshop is looking to increase their profits by (ab)using the currency exchange rates... and hey, we are actually surprised that a company on the stock market is doing so. ![]() You are completely correct that they are severly pissing off their 'older' veteran customers, but truth to be told, the point were I actually cared about this due to still collecting the models is something I have passed by a long, long time ago. ![]() Greetz |
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| skoby | 24th May 2011 - 04:34 PM Post #40 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I don't agree with the price rises at all, but not gonna get into that. I found a pic of the new Queek finecast model on another forum and thought I'd share it here. ![]() Not the best quality but to me it shows that they are actually changing the molds and despite the price I am tempted to get a few character models to convert. |
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| avenger649 | 24th May 2011 - 07:10 PM Post #41 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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But why buy it, You can just buy the old metal ones of somewhere. That would be cheaper due to the price rise and it is out of production. I cannot see the point in buying the new models. They also probably won't be as easy to paint either. They re in my opinion far worse looking when painted and just the same as other models. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| Grimstonefire | 24th May 2011 - 10:22 PM Post #42 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Apparently most of the 'eavy metal models they paint are actually resin masters anyway. So very few of the Citadel Finecast range will have a new model painted for the promo shots. Which makes it very hard to judge the quality of them... |
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| Conspirator | 25th May 2011 - 01:14 AM Post #43 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I would. There are discussions with 800 posts on GWs Facebook basically criticising them and telling them that they're finished with the company. Someone needs to set up a Boycott GW page or something. We all need to start voting with our wallets. |
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| SkavenDan | 25th May 2011 - 01:55 AM Post #44 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Make the page yourself ![]() It's even semi proactive. But make the name at least reasonable. Not click here if you don't buy from GW because the point is you keep saying you don't buy anything and your concerned they will just go your not one of are customers quit moaning! |
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| Olorin the Ancient | 25th May 2011 - 03:14 AM Post #45 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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At the moment, I'm willing to believe GW when they say that the models will be higher quality. The analogy would be to remastering an old film. Most remastered films are distinct improvements, though some (I'm thinking of a particularly disastrous "Gone with the Wind" version) are not. On the other hand, since all the design and sculpting work has already been done, re-releasing their classic figures as Finecast models costs comparatively little, it's giving a new life to old GW models, and is cheaper for them in the long run than metal. So the bump in price is purely gratuitous. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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