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tomb kings book... cant they get it right
Topic Started: 11th May 2011 - 09:58 AM (1,584 Views)
reddogfish77
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Honestly, does games workshop have anyone proof reading their stuff.

Banner of the hidden dead states.

nominate a unit of cav, inf or chariots with a points value 150 or less.

That unit... blah blah blah.

anyone who can count to 10 should be able to tell you a chariot unit costs more than 150 points at minimum.

chariots 55 points.

minimum of 3... equals 165 points.

So i thought maybe they must mean for characters in chariots or something...

a character costs 100 points... chariot 55...

so what exactly are you supposed to do to put a chariot in the ground.
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so what exactly are you supposed to do to put a chariot in the ground.


Put it in front of a battery of cannons; hiyo!

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we were reading the tomb king book down here in austin, we spotted the stalkers rule for shooting at initiative and were going "wo instant war machine death!" until we found the clever thing that said does not effect models with no initiative. because its a shooting attack it doesn't effect the crew and therefor does nothing.... go go gamesworkshop

what was even more hilarious was the armybook designer built his army for white dwarf and suggested he could do this. READ YOUR OWN RULES DAMNIT!!!
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we spotted the stalkers rule for shooting at initiative and were going "wo instant war machine death!" until we found the clever thing that said does not effect models with no initiative. because its a shooting attack it doesn't effect the crew and therefor does nothing.... go go gamesworkshop

what was even more hilarious was the armybook designer built his army for white dwarf and suggested he could do this. READ YOUR OWN RULES DAMNIT!!!


LOL Epic Fail!

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Doesnt the WM use the intiative of its crew for somethings or something? I cant remember what I mean.
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only in close combat. otherwise the crew is ignored for all purposes. including shooting attacks, which is what the stalkers ability is labeled as. therefor it can only target the war machine. except the attack has no effect on the war machine because it has no initiative value.
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Correct, "crew" are just glorified wound counters for warmachines now. Warmachines are literally their own troops type and are a 'cohesive' model now, no longer seperatable (like they were in previous editions).

The function basically mimics chariots for tracking damage you can't directly seperate the crew or beasts from the chariot, and when the last wound is gone, the chariot and the crew go with it, you don't have random crew or beasts standing around after the chariot goes bye-bye.


When you attack warmachines with ranged attacks you lodge them against the "machine's" statline

When you attack warmachines with base to base (combat) attacks you lodge them against the "crew's" statline

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reddogfish77
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to a degree it is understandable that they would forget momentarily that the stalkers could affect war machines... but at least they still have a function.

but to offer an option that cannot possibly be taken... that is far worse i would think.
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well no you can still take the banner for infantry.

but stalkers are practically useless except against heavily armored units. and they're mostly just free points.
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11th May 2011 - 01:22 PM


LOL Epic Fail!

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its reasons like this that I really wish they would go mordheim on their rules...
people will still buy the book for the artwork but a living rulebook is so :bow:

speaking of tomb kings is a desert rat theme army doable? ^o)
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11th May 2011 - 02:29 PM
its reasons like this that I really wish they would go mordheim on their rules...
people will still buy the book for the artwork but a living rulebook is so :bow:
Except that the Mordheim book isn't "living", it's looking more and more like a Liche for each year that goes without updates.
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Aelyn
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Just one question - is there any reason you wouldn't be able to use this on a Tomb Herald in a chariot? I mean, he's only 105 points...
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SHHH! Don't tell them that... they are enjoying feeling like GW can't do anything right and being grumpy about the TK book.

Its certainly not that bad a book...
Having seen the sepulchral stalkers do their thing, I feel they aren't as bad as people have been saying they are.. 2 S5 attacks and a stomp, high movement, 5+ armour save.... they are basically built to take out low initiative monsters and cannons... and since they are entombed beneath the sands, they have a moderately high survivability
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The stalkers do work on war machines (and I, too, thought they did not at first).

It's a case of army book trumping BRB.

The stalker rules make a specific call out over the fact that when shooting at a unit that has multiple Initiative values, you use the highest.

Does a war machine _have_ more than one Initiative value, even if it's practically never used (until now)?

Yes.

Per Army Book > BRB rules, use the crew's Initiative.
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I haven't read the book but maybe is the BSB allowed to ride a chariot, with a magic banner? If so he could consist of a chariot unit less than 150.
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