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Storm of Magic; Because my first thought on seeing 8th ed was: 'You know, magic doesn't seem powerful enough.'
Topic Started: 11th April 2011 - 09:30 AM (4,806 Views)
WillQueek
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What makes an unmounted grey seer less, magiccally fowerfull. (exept for all the bonusses of the bell)


As for the verminlord, you can always:

Use a proxie
Sculpt you're own (everything is better then that 'thing'
Use the Forgeworld one.


I would like a new model tough, but think big. make him at least as big as a giant. It's a avatar of a GOD, it should be more GODDISH
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Silas
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We do have several advantages. We can bring a bunch of low level wizards as backups for Fullscreams. Plus we have a great monster hunter (Doomwheel), a fighty wizard that can storm Fullscreams (plague priests) and a variety of units that can throw shots at a wizard to kill him (Jezzails and Gutter runners).

Plus a solid reason to keep my Grey Seer of foot (and not fork out for a Bell) is good news for me. :P
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Well I love the Bell model, and I would like to field it effectively in an expansion revolving around big, flashy, magic-y things. Thus the dissapointment.
However, a Verminlord conversion sounds like a good opportunity for modelling badasserie.
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28th June 2011 - 07:01 PM
Quoting myself from Warseer:
I have just realized SoM is basically a huge middle finger to the Screaming Bell. While this expansion encourages monstrous mounts for spellcasters, Screaming Bell will be nothing but a big point sink.
Once you spend around 500 points on a Grey Seer mounted on it you realize one of your main wizards can't get into the Fulcrums (as he is pushed by a unit and only the wizard can enter them,right?), so he can't control them nor benefit from the SoM exclusive spells.
I suppose we Skaven players are supposed to leave them at home and buy an ugly Vermin Lord (whether they re-release the old, tiny metal model in Finecast or replace it with the hideous unreleased Warhammer Forge Verminlord.
SoM is designed for high points games, why limit yourself to just a single grey seer?
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It is probably not going to be used at all.

Four reasons for this:

1. It requires a large amount of money to start.
2. You need a large army.
3. It needs a lot of organisation to set it up.
4. Games will be repetitive.
Edited by avenger649, 28th June 2011 - 08:53 PM.
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Avenger to address your points.

1. Not more than a normal game. The terrain and the book are the only additional things you need. Sure larger games will be better but that applies for normal games to.
2. Again I don't see why. A few low level wizards going at it for a pair of Fullscreams could be just as good a battle as one with a larger number.
3. I don't see how it needs more organisation. You go down to your club (which will probably have some Fullscreams) and play either a normal game or a SOM game with the additional 25%. All you need to do is bring a copy of your army list with the stuff you would use in a SOM game along with the extra models (so a few monsters that in a normal game you could stick on the side and declare you mascot) and ta da your ready.
4. Again I fail to see how they will be more repetitive than a normal game. Plus you can easily spice it up. Stick a Fullscream in a river. Make one accessible only by wizards of a certain level., add some neutral critters, put a Fullscream on top of a building or just play one of the many different scenarios in the SOM book.
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Why U do dis?!
Silas, there is absolutely no point in trying to change avengers mind.... throughout this thread he pretty much hasn't liked the sound of the expansion.

Its pretty much got the same rules for apocalypse just in slightly different form.... which means complaining that
"1. It requires a large amount of money to start.
2. You need a large army"
Is 90% bunkem. I have 3000 points worth of skaven that I use regularly, and I have other armies (daemons, warriors of chaos and tomb kings) and to take 750 points of one of those is no problem. I wouldnt mind taking a lord of change with my skaven, I have a self converted vermin lord with which to bulk out my points.
Hell, as I have seen, there are mythical artifacts that basically turn one of your characters into a cast member of 300.

Grey seer with a sword that time's his stats by the number of fulcrums your ass owns? I wouldnt mind that... thankyou.

Hell... i can even find room in my army for my old cursed company models by taking vc's
I am looking to get a hold of the following items, as many as possible:
The new style skulls from numerous kits (less heroic scale skulls)
Any bits of skeletons (both older skeletons and new vc skeletons)
Toppers from stormvermin banners (grey seer type skulls)

I have lots of fantasy and 40k bits to trade, including:
Imperial guard special and heavy weapons
Daemonette bits
Bits from land raiders, and chaos space marines
clanrat arm weapons
hellpit arms
Ghoul and zombie bodyparts
older metal Chaos marines

Message me if you can help.
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It all sounds wicked to me I have a overly large army. You can easily ebay more skaven from the IoB on ebay. And I always play on a 8x4 anyways so space won't be a real issue. I am hoping it is good and brings a big more fun to the game.
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My groups orc player has gone off this now as well after I read him the GW Intro article.

One thing I found out is that any army can have any monster from any other army. I was under the impression it would just be generic monsters, but no, apparently High Elves can have Abominations and Skaven can have dragons now.

It explains the "new big monster for each army" thing they've been doing with recent books.

I also don't like the "contingent" thing, as it reeks of blatant money-grabbing.

"OH HAY GUIZ NOW YOU CAN FIELD ANY ARMY AND EVEN FIELD TOMB KINGS VAMPIRE AND DAEMONS ISN'T THAT EXCITING BETTER BUY SOME NEW MORE EXPENSIVE HARDBACK ARMY BOOKS AND A BUNCH OF MORE EXPENSIVE RESIN MODELS BECAUSE STORM OF MAGIC IS AWESOME CHECK OUT THESE MONSTERS YOU CAN HAVE ANY OF THEM IN YOUR ARMY MAKING EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE THEME OR TONE OF YOUR ARMY BUT IT SO COOL BECAUSE BRETONNIANS CAN HAVE DAEMONS IN IT NOW AND A FORGE WORLD EXALTED BLOODTHIRSTER TO FLY ABOUT WITH THEM BETTER BUY TWELVE OF THEM CAN YOU GIVE US MONEY NOW?"

This is basically what I got from the article.
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it reeks of blatant money-grabbing


Does anything Games Workshop do not?

I personally quite like these rules since I have a Lammasue (Needs wings fixing), a Bone Giant (in desperate need of repairs) and a regular giant (needs painting) which I now have a reason to get battle ready.
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29th June 2011 - 10:50 AM
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it reeks of blatant money-grabbing


Does anything Games Workshop do not?

I personally quite like these rules since I have a Lammasue (Needs wings fixing), a Bone Giant (in desperate need of repairs) and a regular giant (needs painting) which I now have a reason to get battle ready.
No, but in this case it's just so blatant.

I will concede, when I found out about the monsters thing, my mind started racing with conversion possibilities.
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RE: Money grabbing
It's always just so blatant. But you're right, I'm getting a bit sick of it.



RE: Storm of Magic
Meh, I'm not exactly grabbed by the lapels and whirled round in a dizzying haze of consumer fanaticism (which is what they seem to be aiming for) but I will admit that a slight, passing interest is kindled in me.

Make no mistake, I'm not going to buy anything for it. It's all simply far too expensive and I could be putting that money to far better uses. I'll probably still get a read of it as my friend's dad follows GW very closely and has pretty much everything they ever sold. Which is great for myself and my friend as we get the use of a great deal of cool stuff. I may pick up a Cockatrice model at some point in the very far future when I'm no longer a penniless student who juggles for ice-cream. (I actually did that last week-end. :-/ ) I can see conversion possibilities for a High Elf Phoenix in there.

As regards the game itself, it actually looks kind of fun provided nobody takes it too seriously. I'm not sure I approve of the limitless use of monsters at all at all but I do like the idea of objective-based fighting. I'll probably use my High Elves when I play it (not sure I have enough Skaven) and I have to say I'm looking forward to hacking my way through the forests summoned up by my Woodie regular opponent. That spell's a great idea! Should make for some truly excellent strategic games. :) We'll probably scratch some of the silly monster rules though. As I say, this'll all be purely for fun.

Mutate: One thing I probably will buy for it is the Darius Hinks novella. I quite liked his Island of Blood one and well, it is only €4.
Edited by Sketch, 29th June 2011 - 11:17 AM.
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Totally not a magpie

Admitted I'm quite chuffed with some of the old models reappearing such as the old Chaos Dwarf monsters and even several of the Albion collection (at not a particularly cheap price ahem.) However I'm not sure on the factor that any army can summon units (or even ally) of another one - i.e Skaven suddenly summon up a unit of HE Swordmasters to help their Dragons and Bloodknights...yeah... Once again (like Cities od Death - which Gamesworkshop seem to be fighting to get it back up again!) I can't see Storm of Magic lasting long.
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I am led to believe that the Storm of Magic expansion has a timeline of magic in it, which apparently has a timeline that has this 'storm' overwriting a certain Storm of Chaos events. Does anyone has the chance to verify this, cause if that would actually be the case, I'd be very pissed at GW once more frakkin' up their background.

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Most of the latest books make no reference to Storm of Chaos at all. I don't even think it's in the 8th edition rule book. From what I get the timeline has been re set to just before the Storm of Chaos.

Mutate; Link to a page with a pic of the timeline. No Storm of Chaos in sight. Just "Gathering clouds"
Edited by Silas, 29th June 2011 - 11:59 AM.
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