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Question about supporting attacks
Topic Started: 15th January 2011 - 06:36 PM (355 Views)
Scurrilous
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I recall reading that models behind the screaming bell can attack as they are directly behind a model in close combat. However they are not in the second rank. I'm about to use a warlord on a bonebreaker and my chum thinks that units behind him (in the third rank but directly behind him while he's in combat) shouldn't be able to attack since they'd be reaching further than they would normally be allowed to attack from. Is there a precedent/generally accepted rule here?

Mutate. Also the bold section in supporting attacks specifically states units in the second rank, as part of the counter argument.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Razuli
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The rules do not say anything that would contradict it, all it says (that i've found) is the sentence that says that support attacks are made if the model infront of them are in combat. Most of the time my lgs just plays it as if bonebreakers/warlitters do not allow the supporting attacks fro the models behind them.
skavenmatt,Sep 11 2010
10:05 PM
Playing skaven to minimize randomness is like going to prom with your sister, you can do it if you really want, but in the end everyone will still laugh even if you do get lucky.


Clanlord Trask
18th April 2011 - 03:46 AM
I always take at least one Warpfire Thrower. You can't always rely on your opponent to do massive damage to your troops. Sometimes, you just have to do a job yourself.

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Scurrilous
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So it's not entirely clear? Also about the doomwheel (since I have a topic alread) it says each unsaved wound is multiplied by D6. So is that D6 to one model ina unit or to the whole unit?

Kind of weird that one guy's armour/ward save would determine the fate of five other guys. But it also seems odd to be able to do that many wounds to a single model, unless the closest was a character or something.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Razuli
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The D6 only applies to single models,if it kills the model and still has wounds left to deal from the D6, than those wounds are wasted. The doom wheel is not as much of a RnF killer as it is a monster and monstrous infantry killer. Few monsters in the game can take 3 shots dealing D6 wounds well.

Mutate: and its basically because its unclear that we play supporting attacks that way.
skavenmatt,Sep 11 2010
10:05 PM
Playing skaven to minimize randomness is like going to prom with your sister, you can do it if you really want, but in the end everyone will still laugh even if you do get lucky.


Clanlord Trask
18th April 2011 - 03:46 AM
I always take at least one Warpfire Thrower. You can't always rely on your opponent to do massive damage to your troops. Sometimes, you just have to do a job yourself.

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Scurrilous
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I understand. I guess I can see why people might defer to the more simple explaination. But since the BRB states something like "if a model is directly behind a model in base to base contact then it may take a supporting attack" it seemed pretty clear cut. Also the sections in bold about rules in the BRB seem to be a summary, with the text following it explaining the details.

We'll just roll on it I guess. Thanks for the answer on the doomwheel, that's how it made the most sense to me.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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hotwarplead
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no rule states you cant, in fact it states b2b and front rank, then if you look at the characters when bases are funny, pg 98. it isnt covered, so raw you can
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chiaroscuros
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hotwarplead
Jan 15 2011, 07:58 PM
so raw you can

The rules are really clear that you can.

But it goes against common sense and isn't usually played that way. To a lesser extent, the warlitter has the same issues.
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chiaroscuros
Jan 24 2011, 11:54 AM
But it goes against common sense and isn't usually played that way.

HA! common sense.....GW.....HAHAHAHAHA!
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Razuli
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chiaroscuros
Jan 24 2011, 04:54 PM
But it goes against common sense and isn't usually played that way. To a lesser extent, the warlitter has the same issues.

Actually, it makes more sense than you'd think. Skaven masses arn't well trained, and despite the new models, really wouldn't hold ranks well. They could very easily move around a warlitter or bonbreaker to get at the enemy.
skavenmatt,Sep 11 2010
10:05 PM
Playing skaven to minimize randomness is like going to prom with your sister, you can do it if you really want, but in the end everyone will still laugh even if you do get lucky.


Clanlord Trask
18th April 2011 - 03:46 AM
I always take at least one Warpfire Thrower. You can't always rely on your opponent to do massive damage to your troops. Sometimes, you just have to do a job yourself.

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They could very easily move around a warlitter or bonbreaker to get at the enemy.


Arguably; getting to the enemy, when perfectly good com-rats are in the way, seems like an overly risky and arduous chore.

Unless the enemy fighters are severly crippled or weak (or children), inwhich case, what better avenue for clanrat #47 to show off his martial prowess and intimidate his fellow com-rats?

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reddogfish77
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at the other end of the arguement... seems like a safer place to attack between the legs of an ogre attracting all the attention than at the ready line with a spear up your clacker. lol
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Razuli
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CapAmr05
Jan 24 2011, 11:12 PM
[Arguably; getting to the enemy, when perfectly good com-rats are in the way, seems like an overly risky and arduous chore.

Generally speaking though, if a warlord is in a unit, espeically if he brought a bonebreaker or a warlitter, I think the clan rats would have more to worry about if they didnt throw themselves in the frey to "protect" their lord.
skavenmatt,Sep 11 2010
10:05 PM
Playing skaven to minimize randomness is like going to prom with your sister, you can do it if you really want, but in the end everyone will still laugh even if you do get lucky.


Clanlord Trask
18th April 2011 - 03:46 AM
I always take at least one Warpfire Thrower. You can't always rely on your opponent to do massive damage to your troops. Sometimes, you just have to do a job yourself.

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