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New FAQ + Slaves = ?
Topic Started: 10th January 2011 - 12:37 PM (1,013 Views)
piperider361
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Pre-edit: Looks like I misinterpreted something in FAQ (or rather missed an earlier FAQ update) so this thread is kinda pointless)

So with the new version of the FAQ making our stubborn slaves effectively LD2, or LD7 with the General, will you continue to use large blocks to tie up the enemy? Even with an engineer, who will likely get singled out the first round of combat anyway, testing on LD5 wouldn't be that much better.

Without the huge blocks of slaves to anchor down the lines, what will you move to for stability in a skaven list? I think I might try out a Plague Furnace.

Edit: lol @ title of slavbes!

Fixed the slavbes!
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Moggrash
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WHAT?!
No Ld 10 Steadfast Slaves?
Where did you read that? Have I missed something?!
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Seriously, where does it say Slaves ignore Strength in Numbers? I have the new FAQ right here but where's that particular piece?
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piperider361
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Quote:
 
Q: When taking a Leadership test, sometimes you have to take it on
your unmodified leadership. What is your unmodified leadership?
(p10)
A: Your unmodified Leadership is the highest Leadership
characteristic in the unit. Do not include any modifiers from
any source, for example, Strength in Numbers, Inspiring
Presence or the Doom and Darkness spell


The second sentence was added in todays update.

Rulebook on steadfast:
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Steadfast units can always take Break tests on their own unmodified leadership....
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Ah BRB FAQ, I was looking at the Skaven one. Jesus, that's a bit harsh on us rats. Although I suppose fluff-wise it does make sense. No Skaven Warlord could command enough fear or authority to keep Slaves in combat against some monstrous Chaos Dragon. (That's not a direct challenge to anyone btw. Please don't hurt me please!!!) I suppose this could mean a reversion to 6th ed style play. Whatever that was. I didn't have Skaven back then.
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Moggrash
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This sucks.

Seriously, how are we supposed to play now? Every core unit we have have ld5 or worse. (With the exception of Night Runner with ld6) We are now almost guaranteed to flee from every combat since our cores sucks att killing.

Personally I have two ideas.
1) The Unbreakable list.
A Bell with a Stormvermin Horde. (The Stormvermins are supposed to fill up the 25% core requirement)
Then as many Furnances and Plague Monks as possible.

2) The Warlord Horde.
You throw in a cheap Warlod in every unit. That way your rats will be as brave as Empire State Troops... yay. -.-

Thoughts?
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Wait, hold on a sec. I think they may have changed the Steadfast rules before in the FAQ. Take a look at the FAQ for P.54 Steadfast. It says to change the paragraph to:

Page 54 – Steadfast
Change the first paragraph to “If a defeated unit has more
ranks than its enemy, it takes a Break test without applying the
difference in the combat result scores.” Change the fourth
paragraph to “Steadfast units don’t apply the difference in
combat result scores to Break tests.”

Nothing about unmodified Ld. I think that's just for things like Spirit Leech.

Sigh of relief? Someone second me on this?

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Moggrash
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Jan 10 2011, 09:11 AM
Change the fourth paragraph to
“Steadfast units don’t apply the difference in combat result scores to Break tests.”


So what steadfast does now, is that you take a breaktest on your modifiedable leadership but you don't reduce it with the combat result.

We are saved!

I hope...
Can someone with a rulebook just double check the rules for breaktest and see if there are anything that mentions unmodified Ld. Otherwise I think we are saved :)
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piperider361
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Blah, I was hoping they finally just make it clear. Perhaps this should get moved to rules discussion at this point instead of tactics.

Edit: Yeah, I think I concur with that. So what's the FAQ referring to? Just those random one-of spell and item effects?
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Well one last piece of tactics discussion. They all stay the same way they are now! :D

Hooray for unreasonably courageous Slaves!

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Mutate: Confirmed piperider361. Things like Spirit Leech and other small, specific effects that are specifically labelled 'unmodified Ld.' Steadfast rules remain the same way they were albeit with different wording. It's just that GW enjoy giving us heart attacks whilst 'helping' us by streamlining rule wording.
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You should read the hole FAQ before going OMG because it says this:

Page 60 – Steadfast
Change “[...]can use its unmodified Leadership[...]” to
“[...]doesn’t apply the difference in combat result scores[...]”.
Change both references to “[...] any enemy units [...]” to “[...]
all enemy units [...]”.

Steadfast has nothing to do with unmodified Leadership any more.

This is simply for things like the lizard man blade that state you should use your own leadership for the test.
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FinaGlista
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So how much LD has a unit of Slaves if it is deployed in 10 ranks, LD10 or LD5?
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well, a unit of slaves deployed 10 deep that is steadfast that has no other characters with them and is out of range of general etc. will be Ld 5 but you tend to field them with engineers, in range of general etc.

(I think! :unsure: )
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Plague Preist Phebrickid
Jan 10 2011, 08:49 PM
well, a unit of slaves deployed 10 deep that is steadfast that has no other characters with them and is out of range of general etc. will be Ld 5 but you tend to field them with engineers, in range of general etc.

(I think!  :unsure: )

All correct :) By themselves they're Ld5, with an engineer they're Ld8, in range of a Ld7 General they're Ld10 (and most likely steadfast in all cases with 10 ranks :P )
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Chitterfitz
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I see that it directly mentions SiN but in our faq it says that SiN can be used for ALL Leadership tests and I know our Rulebook overrides the Main rule book every time.
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