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Surviving to use Fell Blade
Topic Started: 6th January 2011 - 02:26 PM (1,062 Views)
Skaven
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Hi,

I was thinking of using a Warlord with the Fell Blade to take out that pesky High Elf Star Dragon. I will strike before the dragon so the only issue is the warlord surviving the attacks from the High Elf Prince (4 S6 WS7 with rerolls). As the fell blade costs 100 points I just can't think of any way to make sure he survives... Sure I could just pray that he rolls some two 1s when rolling to wound but that's hardly a sensible battle plan - have I overlooked something? IS there a way to get the jump on that critter?
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I found that a nice "hidden" benefit to riding a bonebreaker is the extra wound the warlord get. This 4th wound helps him live with the blade longer and gives him some padding vs. Mr. Amazing Elf.
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Skaven
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Jan 6 2011, 02:29 PM
I found that a nice "hidden" benefit to riding a bonebreaker is the extra wound the warlord get. This 4th wound helps him live with the blade longer and gives him some padding vs. Mr. Amazing Elf.

Good idea! It would still be a risk - he's almost guaranteed to hit with all 4 attacks so we just have to hope that out of 4d6 one of them is a one. However doesn't the bonebreaker leave him able to be targetted by ranged weapons?
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It does leave him exposed, but then again, if you are relying on the protection of a unit, he's not likely to get to the dragon anyway as he will be outmaneuvered. At least as a free-ranging rat ogre rider, he increases his chances of actually contacting the target.
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reddogfish77
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put him beside a model carrying the talismen that forces a model to reroll hits against a target... i am pretty sure it doesnt have to be used on attacks against the holder as long as the attacking model is in b2b.

or the best way to beat the dragon is to go the opposite way... beat him with CR... a clanrat unit with a standard or better yet a stormvermin unit with standard and the war banner... 3 ranks and a BSB with a decent standard as well generates 6 base CR pts... which is equal to what a dragon can score in a challenge against a champion.

wait i think i am forgetting impact hits... crap.
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A Dragon won't have impact hits, but it will have Thunderstomp :(
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Skaven
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No need to worry about Thunderstomp if the Warlord with Fell Blade survives to attack the dragon, because all that'll be left are dragon fillets (hopefully - althought the blasted thing does have seven wounds!)

The re-roll hits amulet is a very interesting idea - I'll have to look up the wording to see if it's viable. It would mean keeping the normally-maneuverable Bonebreaker inside a unit though (unless it was another Warlord on Bonebreaker! next to him!). Also I'll have to check whether the warlord could benefit from it if he was in a challenge (my guess is no...)

Some good ideas, but I think I'll have to resign myself to the fact that it is going to be very. very difficult and require an inordinate amount of luck to pull off. I might just stick to PWGs, cannons and jezzails.
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Have you tried an assassin with the weeping blade? This would have to be a unit combat but way I see it assassin kills elf chary warlord kills dragon...
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I would suggest either taking Deathmaster Snikch or an assassin with warpstone stars. Snikch could likely take the thing out, while the assassin would at least soften him up and possibly kill him.
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Jan 7 2011, 02:33 PM
I would suggest either taking Deathmaster Snikch or an assassin with warpstone stars. Snikch could likely take the thing out, while the assassin would at least soften him up and possibly kill him.

I would say that an regular Assassin is way more likely to do any kind of damage than the awful 'Deathmaster'. He has twice as many attacks, but he can only ever be strength 4 (so wounds on a 6). and his attacks can't be poisoned. A regular assassin could be given a potion of strength and weeping blade for three S7 attacks compared to his six S4....
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Isn't Dragon-slaying normally the remit of our Doomwheels? Pin it with Slaves and just roll one or two into it. WLC's, PWM/G's and Jezzails are of course the other valid tactics. Fellblade just seems a bit over-complicated but that said, there are a lot of great ideas here.

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reddogfish77
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The re-roll hits amulet is a very interesting idea - I'll have to look up the wording to see if it's viable. It would mean keeping the normally-maneuverable Bonebreaker inside a unit though (unless it was another Warlord on Bonebreaker! next to him!). Also I'll have to check whether the warlord could benefit from it if he was in a challenge (my guess is no...)

checked the book... it does work not sure about challenges... of course you could run 2 bonebreakers next to each other... but then they are as devastating and prob costly as the dragon and rider anyway. lol.
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use another character with helm of discord and hope he fails its leadership test

and remember in a challenge we fight in (initiatief) (sorry for the bad english)
so if the rider kills his oponnent the dragon can not attack anymore and not use his thunderstomp
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reddogfish77
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the dragon is still involved in the combat and would fight i am pretty sure... however, he can thunderstomp a monsterous creature anyway.
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turmi110
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Mounts fight in the challenge alongside the character, so if the HE killed the warlord then there would be nothing for the dragon to strike at because his target is dead. Thunderstomp also goes towards the challenge, so he wouldn't be able to thunderstomp the unit either (assuming the warlords unit were infantry)

As for killing dragons, I like the doomwheel, cannon, jezzail options more than trying to get a felblade warlord at it. If your opponent knows skaven well enough, you wouldn't be able to get a warlord with felblade at the dragon, he'd make sure to keep it away. You can't really hide the fact that your warlord has the felblade either, the secret only stays secret until the end of your turn when you roll to self inflict a wound. There is also no guarantee that the HE hero/lord wouldn't kill your warlord first before he even got to swing his felblade, it all depends on the opponents kit. If you do get to swing that sword though, your army will be dining on warpstone marinated dragon steaks after the battle is done.
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