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Skitterleap a Warlitter?
Topic Started: 5th January 2011 - 08:34 AM (1,373 Views)
tbone
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I think they could only reform directly away ( a complete 180 degrees) from the warlord, as any other reform would bring the unit closer than 1" to the warlord, but yes they would most likely try to eliminate the warlord via shooting/magic.
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Am with Cap. Any unit with a Musician in will easily get out of the way and then he will get shot in the face.
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Sorry I don't see how a musician really helps any...am I missing something??

war machines...okay they will put the hurt on, but will your opponent drop templates right next to their horde, they quite possibly are more likely to do more wounds on their own troops than the warlord.

Low S RnF shots (Strength 3-4)... well the 2+ armor rerollable armor save should help, I don't see much of any wounds getting through.

Higher S RnF shots (Strength 5+) are usually Move or Fire, so they won't get a chance to shoot.

The opponents best bet is with magic, which is still quite random. A simple dispel scroll works.

Figuring an expendable warlitter warlord in a list with a gray seer as the leader, would provide a skaven general some more options on the battlefield, their 'bag of tricks.'

Now most enemies will use their large units to break our normally steadfast units, so having a countermeasure available this seems advantageous. Not to mention, this would surely mess up the opponent's battleline. Having their horde show up to the fight late would not be their best interests. What are their other troops doing why they wait for their anvil to show up?

If it sounds too risky for you guys, I understand. There are a lot of things to consider. But then again, it's not un-doable, nor is it a bad idea in certain situations. I think we are all intelligent enough to determine if it can be done, when we get to the battlefield.
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It sounds like it has it's applications as you put but for the cost he's going to come in at you could buy another tarpit of slaves which will hold for more than 1 turn. He's running run into most things and even if he doesn't die he's going to lose the combat. If there elite like black guard he's probably just going to die.

Musicians can give a free reform if you pass a leadership test.
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turmi110
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Not free reform, swift reform. They get to do a normal move after they reform, they cannot march.

Lets consider the unit of 10 x 5 HE spearmen in horde formation. If you place your warlord directly in the middle one inch in front of them, they can pretty much only reform either directly facing away from the warlord, or in a 5 x 10 unit facing off to the side. Remember that they have to reform around the centre of the unit, and must remain at least an inch away from your warlord at all times. Now give them their 5 inch movement, and I'm pretty sure that would be a flank or even a rear charge on the unit from your warlord. Even if it isn't, you've seriously stuffed up his battleline, and his pointy spears are facing the wrong way.

As for shooting, it all depends on the battlefield. Likely the horde unit will be getting in the way of all the shooting that will be done, and a rerollable 2+ save is pretty nifty. Artillery probably won't be much of an issue, cannons can't place a shot in a way that it has even a remote possibilty of hitting their own unit so unless they've got a good angle, they can't do anything. Stonethrowers can land a shot on him, but scatter is an issue, though life isn't as cheap for others as it is for us so they may not be willing to endanger their horde.

As for losing combat, remember that wounds from the armour count towards combat res, so against HE spears you're looking at getting a decent number of bounced wounds, so it doesn't actually look all that bad.

All in all I think its, a viable tactic. It'd probably fail more than succeeds, but I'd think about using it, though if I wanted my warlord to pin a unit I'd probably use the 'warlord delivery system', ie a unit of clannies or stormvermin to accompany him towards his horde of choice, and let him charge out if I deem his chances to be good solo.
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It just sounds like it is more hassle than worth. These kind of moves are generally better on a cheap warlock with the brass orb.

Your also presuming / hoping that in this edition which i like to call hero hammer that. the unit he confronts doesn't have a hero in it. Which most units do these days. now if it's elfs you might still be ok because the attack like a wet cloth both other races will just beat him to death.
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Chitterfitz
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Im going to give this tactic a shot and see what happens.
Warlord build, Warpstone Armor, Dawn stone, Crown of command, warlitter, shield, trying to skitterleap to a flank or rear charge position.

2+ armor re-roll, Stubborn, 6+parry Might be a waste of points or might be hilariously funny.
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Good luck.

mmmmmmmm how about ikit? you could drop him about 6 inch in front of a target and zap it with his warpfire projector?
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Umm... Don't you think that that High Elf Horde would just charge the War-Litter, challenge the Warlord with the Champion. The HE (Or any other unit for that part) would have charge, standard, three ranks and a musician. The Warlord would most likely kill the Champion with a 2 wound overkill, 3 if you are ridiculous lucky. You are then running away with the tail between your legs at a breaktest at Ld 4-5.

Sorry, but it won't work.
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Yeah, this probably wont work and also what is the necessity of the warlitter? you can do it without too, both times it wont really work - if i was gonna do it id use him for warmachine hunting

On the actual matter of if he can skitterleap i suppose he can if there is now no ruling but . . . from the 7th ed. ruling it is clear they(gw) never intended for warlitters etc. to skitterleap and the fluff behind the spell would say not and so on - i think it is cheesy and unsportsmanshiplike to do this (probably bad) tactic <_<
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Well, I guess I overlooked the an enemy champ/character challenging. That definitely mucks things up a bit. I guess that makes it even more of a situational tactic. On the other hand, will your opponent actually challenge if they are not aware that the warlord is using warpstone armor? Maybe? Maybe not? More savvy and regular opponents will probably catch on, but some others might not.
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Jan 7 2011, 06:58 PM
On the actual matter of if he can skitterleap i suppose he can if there is now no ruling but . . . from the 7th ed. ruling it is clear they(gw) never intended for warlitters etc. to skitterleap and the fluff behind the spell would say not and so on - i think it is cheesy and unsportsmanshiplike to do this (probably bad) tactic <_<

yet if you look at the FAQ v1.3, it covers the Bonebreaker, and the GreatPoxRat not the Litter.
The only FAQ on the Skitterleap is the Greyseer Q&A and Infantry is only ref'd in the Giant Rats and dred 13th Q&A
So RAW, it works on paper.
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turmi110
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hmmm, challenge from a champ, that would ruin the plan. You can hope he won't challenge, that he'd want to poke holes in your warlord instead, but they must know something is up if you teleported him an inch in front of his horde. As for why put him on a litter instead of just on foot? Why not? :P Has a larger base size, so the enemy will throw more attacks at him, and wound themselves as a result. The whole champ thing kinda ruins all that though.

As for skitterleaping Ikit so he can WFT their flank, he cannot as he has moved. Page 73 of the SRB (small rulebook). Cannot fire a 'move or fire' weapon if you have moved for any reason earlier in the turn, this includes spell effects.
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Jan 7 2011, 09:43 PM
Plague Preist Phebrickid
Jan 7 2011, 06:58 PM
On the actual matter of if he can skitterleap i suppose he can if there is now no ruling but . . . from the 7th ed. ruling it is clear they(gw) never intended for warlitters etc. to skitterleap and the fluff behind the spell would say not and so on - i think it is cheesy and unsportsmanshiplike to do this (probably bad) tactic <_<

yet if you look at the FAQ v1.3, it covers the Bonebreaker, and the GreatPoxRat not the Litter.
The only FAQ on the Skitterleap is the Greyseer Q&A and Infantry is only ref'd in the Giant Rats and dred 13th Q&A
So RAW, it works on paper.

oh, I don't doubt you can do it and your point they did not cover the war litter really does prove this, its just not something I would like to do myself when I feel its a little cheesy
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Jan 7 2011, 08:16 PM
Well, I guess I overlooked the an enemy champ/character challenging. That definitely mucks things up a bit. I guess that makes it even more of a situational tactic. On the other hand, will your opponent actually challenge if they are not aware that the warlord is using warpstone armor? Maybe? Maybe not? More savvy and regular opponents will probably catch on, but some others might not.

Are you joking this is a preferred skaven tactic to dealing with enemy characters of course they will know it....
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