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Skitterleap a Warlitter?
Topic Started: 5th January 2011 - 08:34 AM (1,370 Views)
Chitterfitz
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Just as the topic says, Rules for the Warlitter says that it and the warlord move as one model, the warlitter is Classified as Infantry, Rules for Skitterleap say that you move a friendly infantry Character.

Am i correct in thinking this?
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1

I was all set to argue that Skitterleap says characters on foot... but it doesn't :o

Umm, not sure, it may be a loophole. :unsure:

A warlord on warlitter is technically a Character+Mount, the whole of which is Infantry; skitterleap says to target an Infantry Character, but then says to move the Model, which could imply Character+Mount. It all depends on whether the Character+Mount fits the Character target selection, which I would say it does (just). And for reference Steed of Shadows has no restrictions on the character type and I can find nothing in the FAQs to support/refute any of this.

It seems like the rules permit it, but be prepared to argue with your opponent over it.
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Even if you can how is this going to be useful?
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1

Bailing your general out of an unfavourable combat? I don't know really, it's just interesting that sticking your warlord on a warlitter doesn't stop him being an eligible target (apparantly).
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If a seer is present he must be general and I always take a seer. So unless you can stick him on a mount like the bell o wait he can never leave the bell which is completely unskaven. Of course he would run of he would leave a stuffed outfit there so they don't think he's run of.

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Remember that the Skitterleap language was written during 7th edition; while 7th edition rules were still in play, the 7th Edition FAQ specifically spoke to this question.

It basically ammended the spell to say it could only affect Infantry Models that were unit strength 1.

Now that 8th edition rules are in play, unit strength no longer exists. Additionally the question did not survive from the 7th ed. FAQ to the 8th ed. FAQ(s). So as it stands now;

Yes, you can (as of 8th edition) skitterleap a warlitter mounted warlord. (unless I've missed something)


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If a seer is present he must be general and I always take a seer.


Pretty sure I've never seen that rule in the 7th edition book. (maybe you're thinking of 6th edition?)

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He probably just doesn't have any other characters with Ld 7+, but no he doesnt need to be general if you have some with equal or better Ld
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Chitterfitz
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I was thinking of doing something like this.

Warlord with Fellblade is set up on opposite side of table in unit A from monsters/ Ogres/ what have you. You se it up so that unit B is getting charged next turn by said creature ( monster, ogre, so on.) You skitter Leap your warlord to unit B In prep for the charge.

Or if he is your general and you need to move your Leadership Bubble.

I can see an unlimited amount of tactical uses for skitter leaping a warlord on warlitter.
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(Z–>)90º – (E–N²W)90ºt = 1

So in essence you're going to bluff your opponent into thinking 'Ah, his mounted warlord is all the way over there, he won't possibly be able to get to my [insert unit here]', whereupon you go 'Aha! *bamf* Yes, I can skitterleap the warlitter-warlord! Muhahahaha!' Dev Just remember to buy a white Persian cat and wear a bald-cap :P
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All those above situations apply just as well to normal Warlords. Sure it's nice to have 4 extra S4 attacks but they're not essential to any of the situations.

I'd say if you saw some Slaves in combat with a unit that they could beat if they had some extra hitting power then yes. (But a Warlord wouldn't dare be seen associating with that kind of riff-raff!)

I don't think I'd ever do it just for sportsmanship sake. I know that sounds terribly unSkaven but I like my friends and this is treading just that bit too close to the line in terms of cheesiness.

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One could skitterleap a warlitter warlord w/ warpstone armor shield and dawnstone to pin a low strength enemy unit. You could anvil they're anvil on turn 2 or even turn 1. I would soooo like to do that against a horde of elf spearmen
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One could skitterleap a warlitter warlord w/ warpstone armor shield and dawnstone to pin a low strength enemy unit. You could anvil they're anvil on turn 2 or even turn 1. I would soooo like to do that against a horde of elf spearmen

And then the HE cast okhams and the game was over for the skaven player...
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Dammit I thought I was finally getting 6th flushed out of my brain! O well I have the option of who I want for general now lol.

How can he pin anyone you can't skiterleap into combat so he can sit in front of a unit and dare it to charge him.
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Obviously, the warlord wouldn't be the general...

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How can he pin anyone you can't skiterleap into combat so he can sit in front of a unit and dare it to charge him.


precisely

plopping this warlord 1" in front and center of a S 3 horde will make it extremely difficult to maneuver around it. Reforms wont help, same goes for avoiding combat. Not sure about 6th edition tactics, but this seems to work like a 'pin' to me.

As for Okkam's...you're right that if cast on a HE spearmen horde it would annihilate a skaven warlord, or just about anything in WFB for that matter. But the existence of this one spell should not preclude it from being a tactic used against S 3 horde units. It my understanding that not every general takes the lore of shadow or even guarantees themselves themselves mindrazor. Now obviously, if a HE player takes teclis with lore of shadow, no, don't do this. Keep in mind it is more or less just a tactic, not a strategy. Some situations it will make sense to do something like this, other times it won't; but don't write it off just because of one uber spell.
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Reforms wont help, same goes for avoiding combat. Not sure about 6th edition tactics, but this seems to work like a 'pin' to me.


A swift reform would allow them to manuever away/around him, though it would risk a potential counter flank charge from the Warlord; but they'd probably try to eliminate the pinning risk by casting/shooting in their phases.

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