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Hidden Assassin; Joined to said unit?
Topic Started: 4th January 2011 - 05:59 PM (322 Views)
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Assassins:
The rule "Hidden" states that the model is Hidden in the unit, but never mentions that it is joined to the unit. Are Assassins considered to be joined to the unit they are "Hidden" in?
Question is in relation to wargear, as well as weapon teams
1) Wargear:
If Assassin is equipped with an item that gives the unit something (like magic resistance) would the unit benefit from said item when the Assassin is "Hidden" in the unit?
2) Weapon Team
If the unit that the Assassin is "Hidden" suffers a partial collapse from a Warp-Grinder mishap, would the Assassin suffer the effects when "Hidden" in the unit?
Would the Assassin have to take the test that the unit has to take?


Also, if the Assassin isn't joined to the unit, can he ever depart from the unit that he was "Hidden" in?

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as far as i am aware if a model is hidden in a unit then they may not make use of any specials rules/effects/his Ld whatever. . .

as for the collapse of a tunnel im not sure TBH, I think if he is hidden then no, he takes no test, forget about him . . . if the unit survives (with at least 1 RnF model (eg.no stat upgrade, banner or musician)) then the assasin continues as per normal - but if there are no RnF models left after the collapse or the unit is all destroyed then i think you loose the assasin with no tests.

thats how I see it although im not 100% sure - especially about the grinder collapse
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A hidden assassin does not contribute in any way (positively nor negatively) to the battle prior to his revelation. A hidden assassin can in no way be harmed, altered or killed (unless his hiding unit is entirely destroyed) before he's revealed.


1) No

2) No

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Also, if the Assassin isn't joined to the unit, can he ever depart from the unit that he was "Hidden" in?


What? How can you depart from a unit you weren't joined to?

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hotwarplead
Jan 4 2011, 05:59 PM
Assassins:
The rule "Hidden" states that the model is Hidden in the unit, but never mentions that it is joined to the unit. Are Assassins considered to be joined to the unit they are "Hidden" in?...... if the Assassin isn't joined to the unit, can he ever depart from the unit that he was "Hidden" in?

Sorry, sould have phrased it better.

Hidden never states that the assassin has joined the unit. Is the assassin stuck to the unit that he was Hidden in?
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If an assassin is hidden in a unit he's part of that unit until he's been revealed, at which point he may leave the unit (or stay with it) in subsquent movement (or magic + skitterleap) phases (just like normal characters).

A hidden assassin can not do anything until revealed. That includes leaving a unit, activating an item, using a passive item, dying, attacking, brushing his teeth (lol), etc.

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thanks Cap,
I figured as much, but wanted to make sure on that one.

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Jan 4 2011, 05:59 PM
1) Wargear:
If Assassin is equipped with an item that gives the unit something (like magic resistance) would the unit benefit from said item when the Assassin is "Hidden" in the unit?
2) Weapon Team
If the unit that the Assassin is "Hidden" suffers a partial collapse from a Warp-Grinder mishap, would the Assassin suffer the effects when "Hidden" in the unit?
Would the Assassin have to take the test that the unit has to take?

The wording is pretty much exactly the same as dark elf assasins, so:

1) Nothing the Assasin carries can be used in any way shape or form until he's actually revealed (and can only be revealed at the start of the turn or beginning of close combat phase, so you can't reveal an assasin when a unit he's hiding gets charged to stand and shoot with him for example)

2) If the entire unit is removed by the collapse, the assassin is dead as well. If at least one rank and file model remains, the assassin survives. If only the champion survives, the assassin is gone (champion is not rank and file model). Assassin takes no tests, just prays that at least one rank and file rat survives.



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