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1600pt Tourney List - advice please
Topic Started: 2nd January 2011 - 08:05 PM (516 Views)
Leonardas
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Hi

I am attending a 1600pt tourney event. No multiple rares, no named characters. Will be random scenarios but the tower one has been removed.

I have been finding it quite hard to come up with a list that will be competative. At the moment I have a bit of everything but I wondering whether for a limited tournament of this size you need to put your eggs all into one basket. Anyhow help and advice would be appreciated.

Here it is:

Grey Seer - Talisman of protection, Skalm, Dispel Scroll - 340

Cheiftan - BSB, halbard - 72

Assassin - weeping blade - 150

Warlock Engineer - 15 (slave unit leaders)

Warlock Engineer - 15 (slave unit leaders)

39 Skaven Slaves - shields, musician - 99.5

39 Skaven Slaves - shields, musician - 99.5

24 Clanrats - shields, FC - 128

24 Stormvermin - storm banner, FC - 243

5 Gutter Runners - slings, poison - 90

Plagueclaw Catapult - 100

Doomwheel - 150

Warp Lighning Cannon - 90

The BSB will sit with the Stormvermin, the Greyseer with the clanrats. The rest should be pretty self evident. As I said I have tried to give myself some flexibility here but wonder if I have now become a jack of all trades, master of none?! This list is 8pts shy of 1600 right now so obviously a hero buffing to go or...

I have have found it quite challenging to create a competative 1600 list - which in itself has been fun. I would welcome advice and have the models available for almost all suggestions including complete rewrites!!
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Leonardas
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29 views and no additional comments - I guess the force was half decent. Anyhow I have streamlined the list a little. Here is where it stands now:

Grey Seer - Talisman of protection, Dispel Scroll - 310

Cheiftan - BSB, halbard, dragonbane, iron curse icon - 82

Warlock Engineer - doomrocket - 45 (slave unit leaders)

Warlock Engineer - 15 (slave unit leaders)

39 Skaven Slaves - shields, musician - 99.5

39 Skaven Slaves - shields, musician - 99.5

29 Clanrats - shields, FC - 128

29 Stormvermin - storm banner, FC - 243

5 Gutter Runners - slings, poison - 90

5 Gutter Runners - slings, poison - 90

Plagueclaw Catapult - 100

Doomwheel - 150

Warp Lighning Cannon - 90

Silas (creates some great BREPS on the warhammer forum) has been kind enough to offer me some advice and believes I should be including a HPA. Obviously that would replace the doomwheel and plagueclaw catapult. What are other peoples thoughts on this? Are there also other parts of the list that should/could change? For example only run 1 unit of Gutter Runners? Should I reinstate the assasin as a mage killer? Should the bsb be given some magic armour to make him more durable?

Any advice welcome...
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Razuli
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Honestly I prefer having a PCC and Doomwheel over a single HPA, but its mostly taste (I dont really like HPAs that much).

The list itself looks pretty solid, keep in mind that advice given on this forum(or any warhammer forum really) are just suggestions of things that work for other players. I've found that lists made by the players themselves work better in their hands than some of the "power" lists becuase you often takes things (or atleast I do) with a plan in mind for them.
skavenmatt,Sep 11 2010
10:05 PM
Playing skaven to minimize randomness is like going to prom with your sister, you can do it if you really want, but in the end everyone will still laugh even if you do get lucky.


Clanlord Trask
18th April 2011 - 03:46 AM
I always take at least one Warpfire Thrower. You can't always rely on your opponent to do massive damage to your troops. Sometimes, you just have to do a job yourself.

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Silas you say? I wonder if he's the same Silas we have here...

I think you've typed the wrong talisman on your Grey Seer, you want the 'Talisman of Preservation' for the 4+ ward. I'd suggest swapping the dragonbane gem on your BSB and giving him the 'Charmed Shield' which should negate the first connonball or whatever to get through your Look out, sir! and Ironcurse icon, or do you face a lot of fire attacks? Could give him both. I see no problem running both units of gutter runners. As for the Abomb, well, it's up to you; they seem to be regarded as our OP unit and some people can get a bit ratty (hoho :P ) about you using one. But if this is a tourney list then it's no holds barred so go for it (unless there are comp restrictions or you're going for the sportsmanship award). I also notice that this is a tourny list with no power scroll so I assume it's been banned?

MUTATE: And Razuli's advice is all good ^_^
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Leonardas
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@ Matik
It probably is the same Silas! You are right about the Talisman but I have costed it correctly, just mis named it.

@Razuli
I am well versed in using the Plague Claw Catapult and Doomwheel and love them both. The PCC is great in conjunction with wither (my favourite spell) and even though it is a S2 weapon I love the fact it is a large template and causes a panic roll with one wound. I have never used a HPa as I wont own the model till the 15th!!

My big concern at the moment is whether I have enough close combat going on. I usually run a Plague Furnace - I find them great but just cant seem to squeeze it into this list. So I wondering whether I do need a HPA for some close combat effectiveness? Another move could be towards creating more of a gun line? Adding some Jezzails in? Weapons teams?
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Leonardas
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Maybe of some further use is the tournament field. There are 34 players present of those so far declared this is what we have:

3 Skaven armies
4 Dark Elf Armies
3 Demons of Chaos
1 Lizardmen
4 High Elf
3 Warriors of Chaos
2 Dwarves
1 Empire
1 Ogre

Pretty much a smattering of everything which you would expect for a tournnament of this size. Not sure if it helps in thinking about the list...
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Leonardas
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Ok
Designed an alternative 'combat' driven list.

Warlord - shield, warlitter - 135pts

Plague Priest - Level2, Plague Furnace, Dispell Scroll, Talisman of Protection - 329pts

Chieftan - BSB - 70pts

29 Clanrats - FC, shields - 150.5pts (BSB bunker)

26 Stormvermin - FC, storm banner - 257pts (Warlord Bunker)

30 Plague monks - FC - 235pts (Furnace Bunker)

5 Gutter Runners - slings, poison - 90pts

Warp Lightning Cannon - 90pts

Hell Pit Abomination - spikes - 250pts

This is a very different list to the other one proposed. How do people compare the two lists?
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After looking at the other army types there, suspect you may be better off with a more template-supplemented list, so you can weaken their blocks and avoid getting munched in combat with your own combat blocks.

Dont like the absence of disposable elements in list 3 either... to get those elite units to work you need something.. else. Otherwise how do you control your matchups?
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Leonardas
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OK
So I stay with list 2.
Do I lose the Grey Seer and replace him with a level 2 engineer and say a unit of giant rats - to further boost the units avaialble. That way I might be able to find the points for a death globe for the other slave engineer as well.
Or Do I stick with the level 4 as he is one of the cheepest there is and hope to best the opponents in the magic phase?
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Keep the Grey Seer, whit the new magic rules you can try to cast the thirteenth spell every turn!
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Leonardas
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Keep both GR units or replace one with a unit of giant rats?
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