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Rat Ogres; How do they work?
Topic Started: 15th December 2010 - 10:26 PM (545 Views)
Smegmalicious


I've been trying to build out a balanced army list that contains something from each of the clans. Skryre and Pestilens are easy, and Gutter Runners take up the Eshin quota. Moulder is more difficult I've shied away from taking the Abomb for a couple of reasons, one being that people hate the Abomb, and two being that there is no model or base size for it.

Since my army lacks punch, I was thinking of working Rat Ogres into the mix, maybe 2 units of 3 with 2 packmasters. Would that be effective? The trouble I'm running into is all fighting has to be in multiple units, and a lot of times from the side. Would 3 Rat Ogres be enough to run into the front of a unit and expect some kind of success?

How do you guys use them?
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ratwhowouldbeking
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I wouldn't charge a unit in front without at least six Rat Ogres. I've successfully beaten down Chaos Chosen with a unit of six. Granted, the Chosen rolled a bit poorly.

Generally, Rat Ogres seem best in either pairs (for flank charging) and 6 in two ranks (for a crushing flank charge or possibly taking units in front). The only problem with running 6 or more is that they attract arrows and cannonballs.

21 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps is kind of a big deal.
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ratwhowouldbeking
Dec 15 2010, 11:40 PM
I wouldn't charge a unit in front without at least six Rat Ogres. I've successfully beaten down Chaos Chosen with a unit of six. Granted, the Chosen rolled a bit poorly.

Generally, Rat Ogres seem best in either pairs (for flank charging) and 6 in two ranks (for a crushing flank charge or possibly taking units in front). The only problem with running 6 or more is that they attract arrows and cannonballs.

21 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps is kind of a big deal.

How are you calculating 21 attacks?
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mrdonkey
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Smegmalicious
Dec 15 2010, 11:59 PM
ratwhowouldbeking
Dec 15 2010, 11:40 PM
I wouldn't charge a unit in front without at least six Rat Ogres.  I've successfully beaten down Chaos Chosen with a unit of six.  Granted, the Chosen rolled a bit poorly.

Generally, Rat Ogres seem best in either pairs (for flank charging) and 6 in two ranks (for a crushing flank charge or possibly taking units in front).  The only problem with running 6 or more is that they attract arrows and cannonballs.

21 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps is kind of a big deal.

How are you calculating 21 attacks?

If deployed 3x2, you get 9 +3 for frenzy from the front rank, and 9 from the back rank due to the rules for monstrous infantry.

In total you can get 25 S5 attacks if all your Rat Ogres are alive, if you include a Masterbred and the stomp attacks.
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mrdonkey
Dec 16 2010, 12:20 AM
Smegmalicious
Dec 15 2010, 11:59 PM
ratwhowouldbeking
Dec 15 2010, 11:40 PM
I wouldn't charge a unit in front without at least six Rat Ogres.  I've successfully beaten down Chaos Chosen with a unit of six.  Granted, the Chosen rolled a bit poorly.

Generally, Rat Ogres seem best in either pairs (for flank charging) and 6 in two ranks (for a crushing flank charge or possibly taking units in front).  The only problem with running 6 or more is that they attract arrows and cannonballs.

21 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps is kind of a big deal.

How are you calculating 21 attacks?

If deployed 3x2, you get 9 +3 for frenzy from the front rank, and 9 from the back rank due to the rules for monstrous infantry.

In total you can get 25 S5 attacks if all your Rat Ogres are alive, if you include a Masterbred and the stomp attacks.

You only get one attack from things in the second rank. If you rank them 3x2 you would get 9 from the front, plus 3 for frenzy, plus 2 from the back, that's 14. Not to mention you wouldn't have a full rank so you wouldn't deny rank bonus on a side charge. Unless I'm reading the rules wrong it just never seems like a good idea to get ranks of Rat Ogres.

Edit: I should read the rules more! Go monstrous infantry!
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WarpTyrant
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Smegmalicious
Dec 16 2010, 12:50 AM
mrdonkey
Dec 16 2010, 12:20 AM
Smegmalicious
Dec 15 2010, 11:59 PM
ratwhowouldbeking
Dec 15 2010, 11:40 PM
I wouldn't charge a unit in front without at least six Rat Ogres.  I've successfully beaten down Chaos Chosen with a unit of six.  Granted, the Chosen rolled a bit poorly.

Generally, Rat Ogres seem best in either pairs (for flank charging) and 6 in two ranks (for a crushing flank charge or possibly taking units in front).  The only problem with running 6 or more is that they attract arrows and cannonballs.

21 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps is kind of a big deal.

How are you calculating 21 attacks?

If deployed 3x2, you get 9 +3 for frenzy from the front rank, and 9 from the back rank due to the rules for monstrous infantry.

In total you can get 25 S5 attacks if all your Rat Ogres are alive, if you include a Masterbred and the stomp attacks.

You only get one attack from things in the second rank. If you rank them 3x2 you would get 9 from the front, plus 3 for frenzy, plus 2 from the back, that's 14. Not to mention you wouldn't have a full rank so you wouldn't deny rank bonus on a side charge. Unless I'm reading the rules wrong it just never seems like a good idea to get ranks of Rat Ogres.

You obviously aren't remembering the rules for monstrous infantry. A 40x40 model unit only needs 3 models to complete a rank, and monstrous infantry gets full attacks for supporting attacks.
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WarpTyrant
Dec 16 2010, 01:01 AM
Smegmalicious
Dec 16 2010, 12:50 AM
mrdonkey
Dec 16 2010, 12:20 AM
Smegmalicious
Dec 15 2010, 11:59 PM
ratwhowouldbeking
Dec 15 2010, 11:40 PM
I wouldn't charge a unit in front without at least six Rat Ogres.  I've successfully beaten down Chaos Chosen with a unit of six.  Granted, the Chosen rolled a bit poorly.

Generally, Rat Ogres seem best in either pairs (for flank charging) and 6 in two ranks (for a crushing flank charge or possibly taking units in front).  The only problem with running 6 or more is that they attract arrows and cannonballs.

21 S5 attacks and 3 S5 stomps is kind of a big deal.

How are you calculating 21 attacks?

If deployed 3x2, you get 9 +3 for frenzy from the front rank, and 9 from the back rank due to the rules for monstrous infantry.

In total you can get 25 S5 attacks if all your Rat Ogres are alive, if you include a Masterbred and the stomp attacks.

You only get one attack from things in the second rank. If you rank them 3x2 you would get 9 from the front, plus 3 for frenzy, plus 2 from the back, that's 14. Not to mention you wouldn't have a full rank so you wouldn't deny rank bonus on a side charge. Unless I'm reading the rules wrong it just never seems like a good idea to get ranks of Rat Ogres.

You obviously aren't remembering the rules for monstrous infantry. A 40x40 model unit only needs 3 models to complete a rank, and monstrous infantry gets full attacks for supporting attacks.

You have just made me very happy!
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ratwhowouldbeking
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Monstrous Infantry can make up to 3 supporting attacks each, which (along with stomp) is one of the major improvements they got in 8th.

4 Frenzied attacks in front (x3) and 3 supporting attacks each (x3) equals 21 S5 attacks (plus 3 stomps, assuming all three front are still in base-to-base with small enemies).
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But no matter how many you field (2-6) remember to take as many extra handlers as you can. With randomizing ranged fire they drop like flies.
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WarpTyrant
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ratwhowouldbeking
Dec 16 2010, 01:09 AM
Monstrous Infantry can make up to 3 supporting attacks each, which (along with stomp) is one of the major improvements they got in 8th.

4 Frenzied attacks in front (x3) and 3 supporting attacks each (x3) equals 21 S5 attacks (plus 3 stomps, assuming all three front are still in base-to-base with small enemies).

Aaaaaaand you are correct sir. I apparently had forgotten it's a max of 3 supporting attacks, but still rather helpful compared to 1, yes?
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reddogfish77
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still i would rather plague censor bearers... sure they are one hit wonder material... but its the first hit that matters most anyway...

for 6 of them which cost as much as approx as much as 2 ogres and handler you get 6x3= 18A and the toughness tests.

compared to 8 and a handler.

also they are less suseptible to shooting.
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