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Topic Started: 8th December 2010 - 10:29 PM (1,241 Views)
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Remember, ask your Tournament head/judge what they'll allow before a game begins. These are clarifications on things FAQed/Not FAQed/Removed from FAQ.

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-- Warpstone

Q. Warpstone Tokens are one use only, but can they also be used during the Dispel Phase to give the defending team more Dispel Dice?

A. No

Q. Can Warpstone Tokens be used to increase the number of a dice for a spell that has already been rolled? For instance, a Grey Seer rolls one dice and rolls a 1 or 2, resulting in loss of concentration. Can he consume a Token to ensure to get the 3+ he needs?

A. No

Q. Can Warpstone Tokens increase the overall number of dice a Grey Seer can cast on a single spell. For instance, using 7 dice instead 6 to cast The Curse of the Horned Rat?

A. No, and nor may a Power Stone either.


-- Skitterleap

Q. When a Grey Seer casts Skitterleap on himself and is not mounted a Screaming Bell, can he instantly leave and join units?

A. Yes

Q. Can he also join any rank of that unit that he likes?

A. No, but consult tourny judge and see if they'll allow it. Otherwise, when use Rule Book restrictions and rules for characters joining a unit.

Q. If the Grey Seer casts Skitterleap on himself, can he join/leave a unit with a Plague Furnace/Screaming Bell?

A. No, while Skitterleap is a magic spell - it is important to respect the given rules of those units first before Skitterleap.

Q. Can the Grey Seer cast Skitterleap on other unmounted heroes and allow them to join other units

A. Yes

-- Crack's Call

Q. Can a lord/hero/character in the path of Crack's Call be saved by 'Look our Sir!'?

A. No, since Crack's Call is no longer a template spell, by the rules; they may not have a Look Our Sit. But it may be wise to give the player a Look Our Sir, as it is very tough to be hit by that spell and may result in that player avoiding you if you show no mercy. Consult with your Tourny judge first, because rules as writte: "No" but many people implied the rules that "Yes, they can." and in previous versions of the game Crack's Call was a Template spell. This has since been changed.

-- Clan Pestilens

Q. Can a Grey Seer, Warlord, or any other character not of Clan Pestilens be deployed in a unit of Plague Monks with a Plague Furnace before the game starts?

A. No

Q. Can a Plague Furnace/Screaming Bell suffer from Poison Attacks?

A. Yes

Q. When Poison Globe Mortar miss fires and rolls 3-5. Can the player place the template on a unit already engaged in close combat?

A. Yes

Q. When a unit is touching a unit with a Plague Furnace, does that unit also suffer from Enshrouded by Fog even if they are not in base contact with the furnace itself?

A. No

-- Misc

Q. Can Skaven Characters be deployed on the back rank of units if they have Verminous Valour as a special rule?

A. No

Q. When Doomwheel’s Zzzzzap! inflicts a wound on a unit of models with 1 wound each. Does the the Doomwheel inflict 1D6 wounds for each unsaved wound the lightning hits upon the entire unit?

A. No, consult p.45 of Small Rule Book. Zzzzzap! can only effect three models, period.



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Dec 8 2010, 10:29 PM

-- Crack's Call

Q. Can a lord/hero/character in the path of Crack's Call be saved by 'Look our Sir!'?

A. No, since Crack's Call is no longer a template spell, by the rules; they may not have a Look Our Sit. But it may be wise to give the player a Look Our Sir, as it is very tough to be hit by that spell and may result in that player avoiding you if you show no mercy. Consult with your Tourny judge first, because rules as writte: "No" but many people implied the rules that "Yes, they can." and in previous versions of the game Crack's Call was a Template spell. This has since been changed.


This is interesting.

From what it seems, the RAW apparently contradicts how most people play it, and even how its played at some tournaments. hmmmm

Kinda funny that it seems that the rep recommends giving opponent a LoS anyway. In effect, the GW 'rules lawyers' say play nice and do what seems most fair, regardless of what the actual rules say.
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Dec 8 2010, 11:09 PM
Kinda funny that it seems that the rep recommends giving opponent a LoS anyway.  In effect, the GW 'rules lawyers' say play nice and do what seems most fair, regardless of what the actual rules say.

T'is part of Rule 1#: Have fun! ^_^ (and in tourneys, playing nice is an essential method of keeping bloodstains off the tabletop).
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What's the source of these answers, and were you told they would make it into the next update of the official FAQ? 'Cuz short of that, I say 'meh, whatevs.' :)
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These are just basic Q&A with customer support. I know not many people give it a good shred, but we discussed the rules for quite a while though. Reading and re-reading them as we went. :)
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Dec 8 2010, 05:29 PM
Remember, ask your Tournament head/judge what they'll allow before a game begins. These are clarifications on things FAQed/Not FAQed/Removed from FAQ.

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Q&A

-- Warpstone

1Q. Warpstone Tokens are one use only, but can they also be used during the Dispel Phase to give the defending team more Dispel Dice?

A. No

2Q. Can Warpstone Tokens be used to increase the number of a dice for a spell that has already been rolled? For instance, a Grey Seer rolls one dice and rolls a 1 or 2, resulting in loss of concentration. Can he consume a Token to ensure to get the 3+ he needs?

A. No

3 Q. Can Warpstone Tokens increase the overall number of dice a Grey Seer can cast on a single spell. For instance, using 7 dice instead 6 to cast The Curse of the Horned Rat?

A. No, and nor may a Power Stone either.


-- Skitterleap

4Q. When a Grey Seer casts Skitterleap on himself and is not mounted a Screaming Bell, can he instantly leave and join units?

A. Yes

5Q. Can he also join any rank of that unit that he likes?

A. No, but consult tourny judge and see if they'll allow it. Otherwise, when use Rule Book restrictions and rules for characters joining a unit.

6Q. If the Grey Seer casts Skitterleap on himself, can he join/leave a unit with a Plague Furnace/Screaming Bell?

A. No, while Skitterleap is a magic spell - it is important to respect the given rules of those units first before Skitterleap.

7Q. Can the Grey Seer cast Skitterleap on other unmounted heroes and allow them to join other units

A. Yes

-- Crack's Call

8Q. Can a lord/hero/character in the path of Crack's Call be saved by 'Look our Sir!'?

A. No, since Crack's Call is no longer a template spell, by the rules; they may not have a Look Our Sit. But it may be wise to give the player a Look Our Sir, as it is very tough to be hit by that spell and may result in that player avoiding you if you show no mercy. Consult with your Tourny judge first, because rules as writte: "No" but many people implied the rules that "Yes, they can." and in previous versions of the game Crack's Call was a Template spell. This has since been changed.

-- Clan Pestilens

9Q. Can a Grey Seer, Warlord, or any other character not of Clan Pestilens be deployed in a unit of Plague Monks with a Plague Furnace before the game starts?

A. No

10Q. Can a Plague Furnace/Screaming Bell suffer from Poison Attacks?

A. Yes

11Q. When Poison Globe Mortar miss fires and rolls 3-5. Can the player place the template on a unit already engaged in close combat?

A. Yes

12Q. When a unit is touching a unit with a Plague Furnace, does that unit also suffer from Enshrouded by Fog even if they are not in base contact with the furnace itself?

A. No

-- Misc

13Q. Can Skaven Characters be deployed on the back rank of units if they have Verminous Valour as a special rule?

A. No

14Q. When Doomwheel’s Zzzzzap! inflicts a wound on a unit of models with 1 wound each. Does the the Doomwheel inflict 1D6 wounds for each unsaved wound the lightning hits upon the entire unit?

A. No, consult p.45 of Small Rule Book. Zzzzzap! can only effect three models, period.

I called back and asked the same questions word for word with what you have posted and I got these answers.

1. No
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. No
10. Yes
11. Only if the close combat involves skavenslaves and no other non-slave skaven troops
12. No
13. No
14. 3 models only

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Did you stop to correct the person you were talking to? You don't just ask the questions. Half of the time he gave me a wrong answer, but I sighted more rules to him and he changed his answer. Such as, I pulled out the Rule Book, FAQ, and Skaven FAQ to site my rules before I called.
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The point he's trying to make is that the people you call for questions regarding the rules is just customer service, I bet more times then not you get people who don't even play the game. the Rulez Boyz are just customer Service now, you can call back five times and get different answers each time.
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Well the difference is that you have to fluent in the rules too, and have to be able to correct them. I had the pleasure of talking to quite a few people, but the thing is you have to ask more than just the written question. I gave you guys the basic summary, but I did quite a bit of reading and talking.

For instance, there is no way the Grey Seer can use Warp Tokens to increase his dice beyond 5, as the Skaven FAQ CLEARLY says to 'Ignore' that line. Which means, they can't throw more than 6 dice to cast a spell - period.
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OrleanKnight
Dec 10 2010, 05:25 AM
Did you stop to correct the person you were talking to? You don't just ask the questions. Half of the time he gave me a wrong answer, but I sighted more rules to him and he changed his answer....


Well the difference is that you have to fluent in the rules too, and have to be able to correct them.

We appreciate your effort, but if you're correcting the boyz and debating them into giving you the answers you want, then isn't it kinda a moot point to be going to them for the answers in the first place? It does sound like those are your answers, which you persuaded a random customer support guy into "endorsing"... doesn't that kinda skews the objectivity?
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I didn't insist they give me the answer I want, the end results were clear. I got 'No' to pretty much all of the stuff I wanted to do. So I fail to see how your 'Ah Ha! This is pointless' (translation of your post of course) - is trying to state here.
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The point is, that because the customer service changed their mind due to a bit of debate, that means they're not all taking the rules from one true hard set of rules that GW have that nobody else does. Two different customer service people will give different answers, so anything you get from them cannot be taken as 100% GW verified rules.

There is nothing wrong in calling them up for a bit of debate over a rule to iron out any questions about the rules you may have, or for a second unbiased opinion, but you have to realise that what they say isn't always correct, and because of that, not many people will accept their 'rulings' as actual rules. If you can find a group of people that are flexible about the ruling and will take the customer service rules as rules, then by all means use those rules. At the end of the day, there is nobody stopping you from playing whatever rules you and your friends choose to play in your own games.
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Dec 11 2010, 08:22 AM
The point is, that because the customer service changed their mind due to a bit of debate, that means they're not all taking the rules from one true hard set of rules that GW have that nobody else does. Two different customer service people will give different answers, so anything you get from them cannot be taken as 100% GW verified rules.

There is nothing wrong in calling them up for a bit of debate over a rule to iron out any questions about the rules you may have, or for a second unbiased opinion, but you have to realise that what they say isn't always correct, and because of that, not many people will accept their 'rulings' as actual rules. If you can find a group of people that are flexible about the ruling and will take the customer service rules as rules, then by all means use those rules. At the end of the day, there is nobody stopping you from playing whatever rules you and your friends choose to play in your own games.

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Dec 10 2010, 12:12 AM
Did you stop to correct the person you were talking to? You don't just ask the questions. Half of the time he gave me a wrong answer, but I sighted more rules to him and he changed his answer. Such as, I pulled out the Rule Book, FAQ, and Skaven FAQ to site my rules before I called.

Sooo...you called them seeking answers, but when you got answers that did not match what you expected, you "corrected" them until they agreed with you?
I have to wonder, if you knew (in your mind anyway) the correct answers, what was the point of seeking answers anywhere else? Not meaning to sound harsh. It just is a bit of a head scratcher.
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Dec 10 2010, 12:12 AM
Did you stop to correct the person you were talking to? You don't just ask the questions. Half of the time he gave me a wrong answer, but I sighted more rules to him and he changed his answer. Such as, I pulled out the Rule Book, FAQ, and Skaven FAQ to site my rules before I called.

Sooo...you called them seeking answers, but when you got answers that did not match what you expected, you "corrected" them until they agreed with you?
I have to wonder, if you knew (in your mind anyway) the correct answers, what was the point of seeking answers anywhere else? Not meaning to sound harsh. It just is a bit of a head scratcher.

I would guess the disagreement was in deadlock, neither side was prepared to dice for it and so they looked for a 3rd party to break the deadlock.
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