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Tips for playing against the dirty elves; tips for playing high elves
Topic Started: 7th December 2010 - 02:25 PM (1,386 Views)
Scurrilous
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I have found that one mage is hard to use well. Having a grey seer and another level 2 wizard (plague priest or warlock engineer) makes it a lot more effective. Means you can be strategic with your spell use and force them to decide which spells they'll let through and which spells they'll try and stop, letting you get a few cheap spells out, or one expensive one, usually. It won't help you dispell his attacks, but it'll help you get your own hits in.
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vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Kind of pointless, what i just posted.
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Scarr, Reincarnated
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I'm playing against a HE player regularly, and he always brings a big horde of PG. He also adds in his level 4 mage and BSB in there.
The last thing that he does is to add the Banner of the World Dragon (this makes them TOTALLY immune to magic!) and a standard that adds d3 power dice in there too.

In the last few games I have had against him, I only managed to take slightly over 100 point of his army. It's pretty irritating. He has over 1000 points spent on the whole unit including characters.

Have you any suggestions how to manage to kill the whole unit?

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razaan
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Hit that PG unit with your Warp-Lightning Cannon, Plague Claw Catapults and a Doomrocket.

I have an opponent that pulls the same stunt, only he uses Teclis instead of an Archmage. You just have to kill the thing with whatever shooty you have until you can tie it up with slaves. In combat, PG aren't all that hot. Sure they have ASF and have high str, but they only have one attack each. It takes them forever to get through slaves.
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Scarr, Reincarnated
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razaan
Dec 17 2010, 04:28 PM
Hit that PG unit with your Warp-Lightning Cannon, Plague Claw Catapults and a Doomrocket.

I have an opponent that pulls the same stunt, only he uses Teclis instead of an Archmage.  You just have to kill the thing with whatever shooty you have until you can tie it up with slaves.  In combat, PG aren't all that hot.  Sure they have ASF and have high str, but they only have one attack each.  It takes them forever to get through slaves.

I used both Warp-Lightning Cannon and a Doomrocket last game, and both attempts didn't go well. The doomrocket missed (very unlucky though, as I rolled six die and got 16) and the Warp-Lightning Cannon misfired and couldn't shoot more that battle, it's other shoots missed.

One other thing that was idiotic with that game is that he killed both my weapon teams AND my HPA on the very first turn :(

But the main problem is that he can handle most slaves. He makes use of Shadow you see. He uses the first spell to stop any thing that want to attack the back of his lines. He uses it also with the minus initiative + pit combo and that killed 25 of my slaves in one casting... <_<

He also employ eagles so my dangerous things get hard to protect -_-

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ratwhowouldbeking
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You can't always count on Skaven to do well, we have a pretty random-roll kind of army. Sometimes your stuff will die before it actually does anything.

However, with a huge unit like that, he'll be prone to the same sort of thing. If you land just a couple of templates in there you'll really ruin his day.

If he can kill half of a Slave unit, use more. Two 50-man Slave units, two Warp Lightning Cannons, and a naked Engineer with a Doomrocket will set you back a mere 325 points and should (typically) take care of most of his 1000-pointer. In an even game, that should leave you more than enough points to screen your vulnerable spots against his eagles, and to launch a counter-assault against his broken line.

Finally, even if magic won't directly affect his deathstar, bring a Grey Seer. You want to be able to dispel as much as you can, and you can still get some key buffs like Bless with Filth (not to mention direct damage against his smaller units).
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skavenmatt
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wow, glad he targeted slaves with that combo and not soemthing usefull. He got 50 points off of that, doesn't seem worth the power dice to me. maybe try the catapult, I don't really care for the thing, but if you're playing elves all the time it should decimate some things. the kiplingrat is right though, you can't really count on skaven 100% of the time, if one could, we would have already over-run the world. take some lvl 1 or 2 WE's and warp lightning the scary eagles, so threaten something with gutter runners on the deployment.
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High Elves are my main army. Here's my thoughts.

Scarr: I'm playing against a HE player regularly, and he always brings a big horde of PG. He also adds in his level 4 mage and BSB in there.
The last thing that he does is to add the Banner of the World Dragon (this makes them TOTALLY immune to magic!) and a standard that adds d3 power dice in there too.

How do you kill a horde of Phoenix Guard with Banner of the World Dragon? You can't. Well, of course that's not true but what I mean is that it's monumentally difficult. Bear in mind:
1) Phoenix Guard have heavy armour and a 4+ ward save. Statistically this gives them 80 wounds for a thirty man unit against S3. Formidable no?
2) The cheapest solution for killing them would be to do what has been suggested and stick a goodly number of our Ld10 Slaves in against them and then shoot the living daylights out of it with PWM's, WLC's, PCC's and Doomrockets. You could also use the time-honoured trick of having a Warpfire Thrower run along behind them with a small unit of clanrats for hard cover and 4+ ward.
3) I actually think a Plague Furnace would do quite well against them. Toughness tests for all! Give the Plague Priest the Censer as well. Just remember to take a lot of Monks as many will die before they get a chance to strike.
4) If he has the Banner of the World Dragon on his BSB he won't have any protective items on him. Elven BSB's are VERY easy to kill if that is the case. T3, 5+ AS and W2? Even Slaves could probably manage it. Prioritise killing him in combat. Challenge him with your Plague Priest if you have him.
5) Be glad he's not using High Magic. For a lower casting value Flames of the Phoenix will kill just as many if not more of our troops, and it's RIP, And it gets better every turn, AND it doesn't require another spell to be cast before it!
6) Make your magic defence good.

All in all, it is a true Deathstar unit. What I've said here are by no means good or reliable methods. If you think it's a horrible, cheesy, unstoppable unit it's because it is. Nonetheless hopefully someone else here will come up with better ideas.

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Paricidas
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As has been mentioned before, The BSB does not have any kind of magic items. He will have a shield or a twohanded weapon.
If you manage to charge him allocate all attacks at the BSB. He has 2 wounds and toughness 3, so he is just a little more tough than an engineer.

Slaves will need their time, a unit of nightrunners with an assassin in it would probably kill him in one turn. After the BSB has joined the crowd invisible, you can let the power scroll prophet and his 13th do the dirty work...

Alternativly you could buy cannons that doi not missfire the whole freaking day.
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Scarr, Reincarnated
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He places him at the end of the unit
And the one time I killed him, they got on and smashed the rest of my troops...

...but I guess that an assassin would do

scarr
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reddogfish77
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take your own death star.... nothing says suck eggs.... like 3 units of 100 slaves... put a GS in a unit of clanrats behind the center most slaves and just move slowly forwards... with your spare 1000+ points take an abomb... doomwheels and cannons... or PPC... anything nasty i guess... you will win by preventing him to damage anything worth while... hmmm... on second thoughts just take another few units of slaves... give him nothing worht targeting. lol.
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I played elves when I started in 8th and i gota say warplock lvl1 or 2 spam owned my pointed ears. But one spell i found skaven hate is flames of the pheonix so be warned going against a mage using highlore
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reddogfish77
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yeah i hate that spell.
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