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| Tweet Topic Started: 22nd October 2010 - 04:12 AM (2,859 Views) | |
| ratwhowouldbeking | 22nd October 2010 - 04:12 AM Post #1 |
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My first loss tonight, got beaten handily by the Warriors of Chaos in 1000 points. Doomwheel performed admirably, everything else (36 clanrats, 50 slaves, 4 rat ogres) was miserable, warp lightning cannon got led around by a Slaanesh spell. Anyway, my main question is, what do Skaven do about Khorne Chaos Warriors and Chosen? These guys are just monstrous, and I can only have one Doomwheel to crash through his ranks. I mean, ideally I would have a Warp Lightning Cannon and a few spells to thin his ranks, but it's so hard to lean on those in the turn or two before everything goes to hell. Tarpitting isn't a valid option either, both units with Frenzy were easily chewing 10-20 models per combat round and the rat ogres' flank charge got beaten on combat resolution alone. I was rolling really poorly all game, but those little blocks of leafblowers just seem very hard to counter. |
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| Cedomairoi | 22nd October 2010 - 04:31 AM Post #2 |
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A buddy of mine keeps bringing a fully tooled up block of warriors, my plan for the next time I face him is power scroll + dreaded 13th spell. I know its cheap but hopefully if I do it enough he'll stop bringing that unit. <_< |
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| Ablabab | 22nd October 2010 - 05:11 AM Post #3 |
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Rat Ogres are a very poor choice for that matchup. Their lack of armor means they will die before they get to strike any blows. |
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| mellr0 | 22nd October 2010 - 10:41 AM Post #4 |
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Why U do dis?!
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What did your army list look like? See, I always like mocking the warriors of chaos heroes by taking a single, slightly overtooled warlord. swift striking sword, Shield + warpstone armour, war litter is a very strong, first striking always hitting combo, especially if you, for one turn, take a potion of strength into the combat. Hitting on 3's with rerolls, wounding on 2's and nearly ignoring their armour is amazing. Then they get a turn and, and they kill some of your guys, as your war litter evens those odds even more. Then you get your clanrats to get at it. The thing is with warriors of chaos is you want them to be outnumbered. A flank seems to be almost totally necessary to help with kills to being killed ratio. What type of weapon teams are you using? and have you thought about some jezzails? |
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| catandy | 22nd October 2010 - 12:00 PM Post #5 |
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Clanrat
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I've played against WoC alot in 8th already. Mostly at 2500 points though. 7-0 so far Basicly - don't play his game. WoC are hoping for a CC-party. Ignore chosen and CW - they are slow and easy to avoid. Tie them up with slaves when avoidance is no longer an option. Hopefully he wont be able to chew threw your slaves before the game is over. But if you MUST fight them. Forget about the doomwheel - you need the A-bomb. WoC can't really cope with that freak. Warp fire throwers and Plague wind mortars really help removing som CW and Chosen before (and after) they enter combat with your slaves. WLC is nice too. And who cares if 10-20 slaves die every round? feed him a block of 50 and ignore him. Make sure to field them 5 wide for minimum damage and longer steadfast. You point a-bomb at the flank of either CW or chosen and watch him die. If - and thats a big if - he wins combat resolution - he is still losing CW or chosen and you are loosing slaves. How very sad it is to lose a slave - but we can always find new ones ![]() Bring 2 blocks of 50 slaves, A-bomb, Grey Seer or tooled up warlord on bonebreaker (he has no shooting) - would personally go for the grey seer, and a couple of clanrat units with weapon teams. Thats pretty much all you need. And all you can afford at 1000;) |
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As the Old Greyseer was lying on his deathbed he passed on a few words of wisdom to his son: - War is not about winning son, its about your opponents losing more than you do. - But dad, if your opponents lose more than you do, you still win the battle, so its all the same, isn't it? - You are so young my son.....worthy opponents are on your side of the battlefield..... | |
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| skavenmatt | 22nd October 2010 - 01:52 PM Post #6 |
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I agree as well, at 1000 points how many chaos warriors does he get, 10? you should be outnumbering him almost 5 to 1 at least. put more wounds on the table than he can deal with and flank charge with an abom. I also really like the bonbreaker lord against low points woc, just get a flank with him. melt their faces with warpfire! |
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| Saintspirit | 22nd October 2010 - 01:55 PM Post #7 |
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I play WoC, and I can throw in 20 warriors with halberds, MoK, shields, command and magic banner at 1000... just for your information. But I have had really much problems against Jezzails and Rat ogres, I can tell you. And those slaves... there's so many of them! |
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| the-graven | 22nd October 2010 - 03:07 PM Post #8 |
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Clan Moulder Mutator
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What do warriors have: great armor but they're with few. Answer: Things that (mostly) ignore his armor, warpfire throwers melt him while he is chopping away 2-points slaves, a grey seer with wither+plague is awesome, and the wither will make your WFT wound on 2+ too .Just bring a horde of slaves, some weapon teams, perhaps even jezzails(though I don't like them, with BS3 they won't be hitting much), and the a-bomb can nicely kill a lot of them, if you don't roll a 1 or 2 on the special attacks chart, you'll kill around 7 warrriors = awesome Long live the A-Bomb :lol: |
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| Tezz | 22nd October 2010 - 05:35 PM Post #9 |
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Clanrat
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My 5 cent: First, you have to see, whether he is fielding one big block only or has additional units. You can use single Engineers or rat packs for redirecting. With additional units, you can go hunt them down, while feeding him cheap stuff. This should allow you secure a small lead. If he is fielding just a big block, try to redirect and setup for a flank charge. Assuming, he has 20CW with a 4 wide flank. When you attack his flank with CR you get 1+3+1+1 = 6 (Standart + Rank + Flank + Charge) automatic combat resolution. He gets 1 (standart), so total +5 for you. He attacks with 4 CW (halberds)with 3 attacks each: 12 attacks, hits on 3+ (8) wounds on 2+ (7), Parry 6+ (6), so a total of about 6 dead CR, totally -1 for you. So you (just) have to add some punch to your favor. If you just add 2 points to combat resolution, you will win, he will use frenzy and 4 attacks, basically 2 wounds to your CR. And on average every following round of CC by -1. As mentioned, Abom comes handy or tooled up WL. Even DW might be an option. One idea would be as well to use a big WL model (riding), as this will prevent your CR from suffering wounds which will improve combat resolution. If he uses shields, even better for you, as this will reduce his damage (wounds on 3+ (6), parry 6+ (5) 5 total, draw). |
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| Paricidas | 22nd October 2010 - 06:16 PM Post #10 |
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Slaves Slaves Slaves 13th+powerscroll whiter A-Bomb Doomwheel WFT PWM Fighty warlord on a bonebreaker/litter with a potion of strengh You cant get all of them in a 1000 points game, but at that game size a single doomwheel can crush down a unit of chosen and decide the battle. One sucsessfull 13th is also quite devastating. The 5-points-flail-marauder is also something to fear, as you will lose steadfast in the first round if you are unlucky. |
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| Flem | 22nd October 2010 - 08:14 PM Post #11 |
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A blood curling cough a day, keeps the assassins away
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in 1000 points i would put a huge unit of slaves on the table to tarpit him for a turn or 2 and shoot him with fire throwers or something like that. Mortars are also very effective against chaos warriors in that kind of points. A furnace can also deal his amount of damage the impact hits that don't allow parry saves are really effective. A plague priest with the cloud of corruption spell or even plague can really make those Chaos warriors cry. Especially since in 1000 points he'll have like max 30 warriors or something like that. Flem, |
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| turmi110 | 22nd October 2010 - 11:53 PM Post #12 |
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Chieftain
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Remember that this is a 1000 point game, so 25% of that is 250 points, thereby meaning if you do bring a grey seer, he's practically naked. That and the priest on plague furnace is only lvl 1 and naked. In saying all that though, bring a grey seer, nothing like the dreaded 13th to ruin his day. |
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| racerstephen | 23rd October 2010 - 01:10 AM Post #13 |
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What is the a-bomb? |
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| Paricidas | 23rd October 2010 - 06:09 AM Post #14 |
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Doomwheel Driver
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The abbreviation for hell-pit ABOMination. Its so strong that some players will see it as cheesy (especially in a 1000 points game). |
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| Flem | 23rd October 2010 - 08:44 AM Post #15 |
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A blood curling cough a day, keeps the assassins away
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hehe the a-bomb in 1000 points, that's just overkill. @ ratwhowouldbeking , can you by any chance post a list of what you're up against? |
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