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Topic Started: 14th October 2010 - 11:15 PM (3,107 Views)
Scurrilous
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I plan to add 6 rogres + 2PM and a master moulder later on in my escalation league. I'll be giving the moulder a shadow magic trinket, hopefully that will get them where they need to go.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Paricidas
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Scurrilous
Nov 30 2010, 11:16 AM
I plan to add 6 rogres + 2PM and a master moulder later on in my escalation league. I'll be giving the moulder a shadow magic trinket, hopefully that will get them where they need to go.

Unfortunatly the master moulder may not take the trinket.
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Scurrilous
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Damn you're right. I must've misread it... Oh well, I guess they'll get shot in the fact after all.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Kevlar
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Scurrilous
Dec 2 2010, 06:42 AM
Damn you're right. I must've misread it... Oh well, I guess they'll get shot in the fact after all.

If you are gonna field that many you might as well throw in a warlord on a bonebreaker or priest on a pox rat. Then you can field the shadow magnet or some other surprises.
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Hardrainfalling
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the shadow trinket wont help much vs mortars , cannons etc anyway
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Kevlar
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Dec 2 2010, 09:25 AM
the shadow trinket wont help much vs mortars , cannons etc anyway

Rat ogres are a lot more susceptible to ballistic skill shooting than they are war machines. T4 and no armor means skinks and elves murder them. Plus you can always throw in the ironcurse icon. Its an enchanted item, the shadowmagnet is a talisman. You won't get a wardsave on a priest then, but the warlord can still afford some nice armor and weapon.
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Hardrainfalling
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but is a -1 really going to help them that much?
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Dec 2 2010, 10:20 AM
but is a -1 really going to help them that much?

That's the question I wrestle with. On the surface of it, the answer is yes. Within the normal range of ballistic skills (say, 3-5), eliminating 1 out of every 6 hits is pretty great! Against elf armies of all varieties this is actually sort of a big deal.

The problem for me with this item is opportunity cost.

I have two standard load-outs for my warlord on bonebreaker in the rat ogre unit:
1) Fellblade. Great for killing monsters, steam tanks, and tzeentch warriors.
2) The whole 2+ re-rollable bouncing wound, +1S +1 A thing. Great for wiping out basic troops.

Neither has room for the item, so I just try to get there...like, now.
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Kevlar
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Dec 2 2010, 11:31 AM
The problem for me with this item is opportunity cost.

I have two standard load-outs for my warlord on bonebreaker in the rat ogre unit:
1) Fellblade. Great for killing monsters, steam tanks, and tzeentch warriors.
2) The whole 2+ re-rollable bouncing wound, +1S +1 A thing. Great for wiping out basic troops.

Neither has room for the item, so I just try to get there...like, now.

It fits in nicely with the armor of destiny and sword of might. If you want more offense go armor of fortune and blade of corruption, but you probably don't need to add much offense to a unit of 6 rat ogres.
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scratchings and squeakings

Some class ideas here. Personally I take mine in small units of two, but fully kitted out with Master-Bred and Master Moulder with Great Weapon. It probably isn't the most statistically efficient way of buying them for all the Mathshammer heads out there but I watched two of these units chew through 10 Wardancers and overrun into a Highborn on an Eagle and 8 Scouts, who they promptly ate aswell. One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of people give their heroes Great Weapons these days. This means that you can challenge said hero with your Master Bred and watch five of those six Strength five attacks mess them up before they get a chance to hit back. (Also I'm using IOB Rat Ogres so it's just the most sensible and aesthetically pleasing way to deploy them!)

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xxrathammerxx
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I don't know, mine got weakened by doom divers (6 strenght 5 hits!) on turn 2, destroyed a chariot, then got finished off by the doom divers (5 strenght 5 hits) the next turn. Now, I don't know if my very lucky rolling opponent wasn't scoring the doom divers' hits correctly, but I think I want to try 2 small units of censer bearers in my next game instead.
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Scurrilous
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Well I painted up my rogres and so I'm determined to use them. Putting a warlord in on a mount seems entirely do-able. I just have to figure out how to make a warlord and a rat ogre fit together, since I understand there's no model out there to buy for them.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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skavenmatt
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and the storm vermin won't stop a cannonball if it fails to wound one. if they don't get a 3 on the first ogre, the ball doesn't hit anything else :D
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desmondkenny
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Does it have to be a warlord on a Bonebreaker?

Can a Warlitter join a unit of Rat Ogres? Can the BSB for that matter?

I've been running a warlitter lord with a Giant Blade (+3S), Warpstone Armour and a 6+ regen save. And I always sit him beside a Dripping death BSB with a shield. Is there any reason you couldn't run these in a unit of rat ogres with a master bred? Would the look out sir roll still apply?

I don't see why not - let me know if I'm missing something. I'd run them as BSB, Warlitter, Masterbred and 3 Rat Ogres in front rank, 5 Rat Ogres in 2nd rank and packmaster in the rear.

For the craic of course, it's a deathstar unit of 700 points - too crazy? Is it legal?
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There's nothing preventing other characters from joining ratogres. However; once they do, the entire unit will move be movement 5; because of the slow BSB or warlitter.

It's legal; but an incredibly poor strategic choice (IMO).

Skaven weren't designed to have deathstars; the entire 'concept' of death stars focuses on one tough-to-kill, hardhitting elite unit taking out a huge chunks of the enemy army (while taking little damage in return thanks or armor, ward, or protective buffs). It's the total antithesis of the Skaven way.

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