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Skaven magic questions.
Topic Started: 5th October 2010 - 07:05 AM (649 Views)
Ward.


This has come up a few times and has escalated into a full rules debate in my FLGS.

Can I place the scorch template onto a unit that is also in close combat?

I ask because the spell makes no mention of targeting a unit when cast and isn't covered by the 8th edition rules as a direct damage spell, going further to say "place it anywhere with 24 inches".

Also, if it can't can it be placed over two units at the same time?
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bakfire the experimenter
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i would say from the wording of the spell that you can place it anywhere whether that means it hits a unit in combat or two units makes no difference.

i believe there are rules governing templates hitting units in combat - basically you take a hit on each model touched as normal.

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Ablabab
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You can shoot it into close combat IMO - the targeting parameter "anywhere" overrules any and all restrictions that can be applied.
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Ward.


I was thinking something similar but it appears to have gone to consensus, is there anywhere I could go to get a large amount of people saying the same thing?
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Scurrilous
Warlord
Rather than start a new thread..

I wanted to ask you guys about skaven magics. Now, normally magic has a few rules it must follow. Be in the forward arc, no need for LOS, within range and cannot target spells at units engaged in close combat. If it is a spell of a specific type, as listed, then other rules apply.

With the exception of Warp Lightning, which is listed as a Magic Missile, none of the skaven spells are given a specific type. However some players have suggested that common sense dicatates that Scorch, for example, is a Direct Damage spell, and Bless With Filth is an augment, and thus should be subject to those spell rules.

I'm stuck because on the one hand if that's true I don't want to point at the rules as a reason for my actions and be seen as "beardy." But on the other hand, why take the trouble of listing Warp Lightning as a magic missile, if the others do not get listed as a spell type if they are meant to be. Is skaven magic just different or am I exploiting rules wording?
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vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Scarr, Reincarnated
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Skaven and each other army book spells have just magic missile listed as a spell type. This is due to the 8th edition. The reason why warp lightning is a magic missile is that it was much used in 7th edition and they had listed the special properties of each spell in it's "spell slot".

Hope that helped :D

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Scurrilous
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So I shouldn't worry about what spell types they are if they don't state one explicitly, I should just follow the restrictions listed in the spell in the army book? That makes sense, thanks.

Just as an example then - Bless With Filth not being a true Augment spell, cannot be cast onto a unit not within the wizard's forward arc the way augment spells can, and must be cast on a unit that is in front of the wizard.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Ratarsed
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I personaly treat each of the skaven spells as their obvious type. It makes your opponents alot happier that way. It's no real hardship to follow the rules for direct damage spells. You just face your wizard the direction he wants to cast in the movement phase. If there is one thing that is sure to get your playing partners backs up is not following the basic rules that they have to.
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Scurrilous
Warlord
I took a much closer look at the rules regarding magic and it actually states in the BRB that some spells in army books don't state a type, and they contain all the restrictions for that spell therein. So I feel happy pointing to this if someone suggests that a certain spell should be a certain type.

If everyone where I play was restricting themselves to the rules they think their spells should be I'll conform but until then I'll follow scarr's advice.
Tournemant results to date:
vs Vampire Counts: 1 victory
vs Dwarves: 1 victory
vs Daemons: 1 Draw
vs Brettonians: 1 draw, 1 loss
vs Skaven: 1 victory
vs Lizardmen: 1 victory
vs Dark Elves: 1 loss
vs High Elves: 1 loss
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Scarr, Reincarnated
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Remember that it stands in their rules that the spells target units so keep it friendly. ;)

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