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Defeating teclis; Is it possible.
Topic Started: 18th August 2010 - 07:15 PM (2,047 Views)
James100
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What tactics work good at killing teclis when he's in either a big unit of archers or seaguard
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Plague and 13th spell both are worth considering. Two castings of wither and teclis is toast (meaning 1 casting of wither and teclis is likely to move to a different, most likely smaller, bunker which should be susceptible to the 13th spell).

mutate: Assassin with blade of corruption and other trickster's shard should see him off easily.
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Get wizarding hat. Then hope for rolling Lore of death then hope for getting the right spell. Its a foolproof plan.
Well no but then:

I will probably also face him soon alot. ( have yet to do it )
But I think weaponteams is the best. he has a pesky T2 and only 2 wounds. But he has a 2+ ward against magic so going that way will be hard.
Wind-mortar will do quite well i think. It can stand behind your unit so its in no danger of thier bowfire and they have low T. WFT is good too I think.
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also lots of sightly smaller units could work, as he can only blast 2 units reliably a turn

and then just direct attacks against him, yeah the sea guard may horribly beat up your units but you should still have enough guys left to get 6 attacks against him and at T2 he wont last many rounds of combat. use units of slaves (it may take a bit longer though), especaily seeing as he wont be casting spells at them and if he does then there slaves the were their to die, while the rest of your army will live.

also you could risk it be putting an asassian in a unit of slaves and use him to kill teclis, although that is a much bigger points risk as the asassian will almost ceartainly die.
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Im thinking a casting of wither and either a warp scroll, plague or a good ole plagueclaw shot. can he get a look out sir against plagueclaws?
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cannon sniping?
I took out a sorceror lord today on turn 1 with this so it could work

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Prekrasna
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If he gets Teclis, get Thanquol. Reroll on the Warpstone tokens = almost guaranteed 13th spell. Good bye.

It's my usual way of dealing with any special character, come to think of it.
And it works WONDERS.
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Just checked....does Teclis really not have a ward save? If so, stormvermin will easily chop through him (moreso if you add skavenbrew). Charge in with 3 models in base to base with him. You take a pile of casualties, the 6 attacks, 4 hits, 3.33 wounds on a 3 wound, no save model.
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Kevlar
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He only has T2? Two withers is all you need! Throw six dice at it, who cares if your priest blows up. Its more than a fair trade. His magic resistance won't work against wither.
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There is of course the chance of the banner of the world dragon being in the unit, which would make them immune to the effects of magic. Luckily, it's BSB only so if there's no BSB there, go for it.
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Just to clear up a few misconceptions being spread around:
Teclis himself has NO saves. No armor, no ward save, no magic resistance. Nothing.
Any protection he has will be from being in a unit that buys MR, a Shield of Saphery spell, or maybe the Loremaster Cloak (which gives the wearer and the unit he is in a 2+ Ward vs. magic)
He is however rather impressive as a magic defense, between the scroll of hoeth (which acts as a dispel scroll and might destroy the spell) and his staff giving him d3 extra dispel dice per phase. This in addition to being a level 4 caster with the High Elf Mage special +1 to dispel attempts. I'm not saying you can't kill him with magic, I'm just saying it could be difficult.

On the other hand, killing him in combat shouldn't be too hard in 8th. T2 with 3 Wounds and no saves goes down real fast if they can't get any buffing spells onto him. A simple slave rush is 4s and 3s. Coming from 6 slaves in combat that can put 2 wounds on him in a single phase. If you somehow got Death Frenzied slaves into combat with Teclis, they would have a good chance to kill him in a single combat round. The difficulty with this is of course actually getting somebody into combat with him, the High Elf will not be making this easy.
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Kevlar
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Well if he is bunkered in an anti-magic unit you could always cannon snipe him and throw in a couple blasts of warp fire or mortars for good measure and hope he fails at least one "look out sir" roll. Even if you don't outright kill him you should reduce his unit to tatters and be able to finish him off easier with a slave block.

I still think wither will work fairly well. Just draw out that destroy scroll before you start chucking all your dice at him. If he does have that pesky anti-magic bsb in there I guess you gotta kill him first. Shouldn't be too hard since if he has a magic banner he has no save. Sacrificial assassin would do that trick easily enough.
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i have to go with charging slaves in and then shooting the hell out of the combat with plague claws, WLC and mortars... i havent found a shooting army yet that can kill 40 slaves before they reach combat and i have 3 units of them so 1 of them should reach the combat.
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Last time I fought Teclis I killed him with Skavenslaves in 2 rounds of combat. If you can get 3 in BTB, for 6 attacks from 2 ranks, you hit on 4s and wound on 3s, so 2 rounds is typically all you need. The Sea Guard he was in stabbed the crap out of the slaves, but SIN, Steadfast, and Step Up meant the block was able to last for those 2 rounds and get those attacks in.

Basically, get something in BTB with him that's tough enough to last 2 rounds of attacks from the unit he's in, and he'll go down.
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I have been having this discussion alot with the folks I play with. We have been discussing the Feedback Scroll and whether it can be used against him. The wording in the rule book for it has made it a split decision. Any opinions on the scroll and whether it could be used against him.

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